Why Are You Not a Christian? - Page 13 - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Free Your Mind
Click Here to Login
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 12-02-2009, 03:03 PM   #181
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Irvine511's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 30,499
Local Time: 03:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by diamond View Post
Yes, you kinda look bad posting links from there in the past and or other various related sites re Sarah Palin and who the father of her child was.

So, you have a litmus tests for Christians?


wtf are you talking about?

and for the record, yes, i do think that the circumstances surrounding Trigg are weird. i don't know who has contractions and then gets on a flight from Texas to Alaska with a layover in Seattle. it's just freaking weird.

but it is ironic, coming from you, my sexydiamond, saying that i posted something that made me look bad.
__________________

__________________
Irvine511 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2009, 03:06 PM   #182
ONE
love, blood, life
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Tempe, Az USA
Posts: 12,856
Local Time: 01:26 PM
you still looked baaaaaaaad
devoid of
the very
best form...
__________________

__________________
diamond is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2009, 03:16 PM   #183
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Irvine511's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 30,499
Local Time: 03:26 PM
um, okay. anyway ...
__________________
Irvine511 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2009, 03:18 PM   #184
ONE
love, blood, life
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Tempe, Az USA
Posts: 12,856
Local Time: 01:26 PM
National Enquireish.

<>
__________________
diamond is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2009, 03:23 PM   #185
Blue Crack Distributor
 
LarryMullen's POPAngel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: I'll be up with the sun, I'm not coming down...
Posts: 53,698
Local Time: 03:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by phillyfan26 View Post
The first thing you see when you drive up to my Church? A large white sign that says "Pray to End Abortion." You see that before you see the church or even the church's sign. It's like they want to embarrass me one more time when I decide I'm going.


Yeah, I thought my church was all modern thinking and such and then they started this "hey let's pray in front of an abortion clinci for 40 days to end abortion" and then they were whooping and hollering that they closed said clinic (it in reality was closed a year earlier )

Quote:
Originally Posted by martha View Post
There are organizations full of pro-choice Christian women.
I would love to know where these churches are, plz
__________________
LarryMullen's POPAngel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2009, 04:47 PM   #186
The Fly
 
AttnKleinkind's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 181
Local Time: 08:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by phillyfan26 View Post
What? I have no idea what you're on about. Every religion has its hierarchy and leadership. For example, I'm Catholic, so that's the Vatican and the Pope and the bishops, who are spread out around the world. It's got nothing to do with North America.

And that's what almost every church I've ever been to is like. There are many, many religions that love getting political, the Catholic Church being as guilty as any.
I meant North American Christianity in that it is SO incredibly political, and there’s “megachurches” or teaching of the prosperity gospel. That’s very much a sort of Christianity that is found in places like the Midwest, and I would argue have unsound theology in many areas, being very fundamentalist and focus on taking the Bible as literally true. Thus, they can’t be a representative for ALL of Christianity. Not every Christian agrees with Focus on the Family. In fact, there are a lot who don't.

Quote:
Originally Posted by BVS View Post
But where is the oppressed "Christian" demographic?
So…I know that this is by no means persecution compared to other parts of the world, and I truly enjoy my freedom to religion here, but I’ll just throw it out there even though it sounds kind of petty. The board of education banned Christian lunchtime groups from meeting at lunch, while the Muslim group at my brother’s school was allowed to meet still. Eventually they were allowed to again, but it was a big thing, and took months to get back. I don’t know…does that count?
__________________
AttnKleinkind is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2009, 05:01 PM   #187
BVS
Blue Crack Supplier
 
BVS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: between my head and heart
Posts: 40,697
Local Time: 02:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AttnKleinkind View Post
So…I know that this is by no means persecution compared to other parts of the world, and I truly enjoy my freedom to religion here, but I’ll just throw it out there even though it sounds kind of petty. The board of education banned Christian lunchtime groups from meeting at lunch, while the Muslim group at my brother’s school was allowed to meet still. Eventually they were allowed to again, but it was a big thing, and took months to get back. I don’t know…does that count?
So for a few months you weren't allowed to sit next to each other at lunchtime?
__________________
BVS is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2009, 05:04 PM   #188
The Fly
 
AttnKleinkind's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 181
Local Time: 08:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BVS View Post
So for a few months you weren't allowed to sit next to each other at lunchtime?
It was a Bible study group...I said I was just throwing it out there as a minor thing. That said though, what would your reaction be if a Muslim group was banned while Christians were allowed to meet? Clearly that would be discrimination.
__________________
AttnKleinkind is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2009, 05:16 PM   #189
BVS
Blue Crack Supplier
 
BVS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: between my head and heart
Posts: 40,697
Local Time: 02:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AttnKleinkind View Post
It was a Bible study group...I said I was just throwing it out there as a minor thing. That said though, what would your reaction be if a Muslim group was banned while Christians were allowed to meet? Clearly that would be discrimination.
Any group being banned while an equivelant is not, is a very discriminatory thing and not something I endorse. That being said, I don't know the circumstances of your story but it seems like it's all been taken care of...
__________________
BVS is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2009, 05:16 PM   #190
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 30,343
Local Time: 03:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AttnKleinkind View Post
I meant North American Christianity in that it is SO incredibly political, and there’s “megachurches” or teaching of the prosperity gospel. That’s very much a sort of Christianity that is found in places like the Midwest, and I would argue have unsound theology in many areas, being very fundamentalist and focus on taking the Bible as literally true. Thus, they can’t be a representative for ALL of Christianity. Not every Christian agrees with Focus on the Family. In fact, there are a lot who don't.
But I'm not even talking about megachurches or the midwest. I'm talking about a relatively small Catholic church near the city of Philadelphia. My point is that even when not talking about that stereotypical view of conservative Christians going to the megachurch, you're still talking about places that take political stances and such. The vast majority of Christians are associated with a church that gets political in some way, so when people talk about why they are or are not a Christian, they're going to talk about why they are or are not associated with groups like these.
__________________
phillyfan26 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2009, 05:18 PM   #191
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 30,343
Local Time: 03:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AttnKleinkind View Post
It was a Bible study group...I said I was just throwing it out there as a minor thing. That said though, what would your reaction be if a Muslim group was banned while Christians were allowed to meet? Clearly that would be discrimination.
At the end of the day, you're allowed to create a black student union. You're not allowed to create a white student union. While in theory that sounds discriminatory, it makes sense for a variety of reasons. This is different when dealing with religion, and this probably shouldn't have happened even though I'm sure it does, but it's a different issue when you turn it around between the majority and the minority for a number of reasons.
__________________
phillyfan26 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2009, 07:34 PM   #192
She's the One
 
martha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Orange County and all over the goddamn place
Posts: 42,338
Local Time: 12:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kingofsorrow View Post
the asshole you see, is the asshole you get.
And now we know.
__________________
martha is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2009, 07:35 PM   #193
She's the One
 
martha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Orange County and all over the goddamn place
Posts: 42,338
Local Time: 12:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Irvine511 View Post
but people like Keiran, martha, sean, and so many others on this board are far too smart to be so lazily lumped in with those charlatans. i may not share their beliefs, but i do respect them, and not just their right to their beliefs, but the actual beliefs themselves.


I thought of you today, and sighed for you. But that's a different thread.
__________________
martha is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2009, 10:16 PM   #194
ONE
love, blood, life
 
A_Wanderer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: The Wild West
Posts: 12,518
Local Time: 06:26 AM
Which beliefs are getting respect. the humanistic ones or the the religious ones?
__________________
A_Wanderer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2009, 10:23 PM   #195
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Irvine511's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 30,499
Local Time: 03:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by A_Wanderer View Post
Which beliefs are getting respect. the humanistic ones or the the religious ones?


i find thoughtful religious beliefs worthy of respect. i might not hold them, but even you must admit that it's a courageous thing to choose to believe in god/salvation in the face of overwhelming odds to the contrary. further, i think we can point to several examples of individuals who's faith moves them to good works, the most obvious example being Bono. for many people, faith helps them sleep at night and helps them come to terms with absolutes like death. it might be delusional, or it might not, but if it helps people through the night, is that really so bad? might it not be the actual rational choice when coming to terms with the likely harsh reality of life -- that we are, indeed, just big bags of water on a rock hurtling through space -- is enough to drive many people into fits of anxiety. perhaps that's wisdom as well -- live with the lie because the truth, when fully grasped, is actually unbearable.

so i can respect all of that.
__________________

__________________
Irvine511 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Christian the Lion - amazing story trevster2k Lemonade Stand Archive 12 07-25-2008 07:16 AM
The Christian Right and the Rise of American Fascism joyfulgirl Free Your Mind Archive 156 05-02-2006 10:26 PM
Would you like to know the benefits of being a Christian? AFriend Free Your Mind Archive 34 02-13-2005 06:43 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:26 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com