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Old 08-29-2010, 08:48 PM   #46
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Well I don't know how to explain it to you...I find the field to be intellectually stimulating and fast-moving. There are always new things to learn. Transactional work is busy so you're never sitting there bored. I'm always on a deal team of at least 3 or 4 other people (not to mention the other side) and I like collaborative work of that nature. I like the people that I work with, and I like having students around, it's fun to see new blood.

Maybe if my job consisted of photocopying all day I'd hate it, but that's not what it is.
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Old 08-29-2010, 08:55 PM   #47
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Well, I know a few lawyers, and there is only one that seems to genuinely enjoy his job, the others are just meh. Actually interestingly enough, for the guy that does enjoy his job there is a lot of deal-making, collaborative stuff, etc, along the lines you mentioned.
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I'm the opposite, Liesje. If I had a job where I did it just to provide for my family and pay the bills, I'd be exhausted. If I am to spend 40+ hours a week doing something, I better love it.
To me it's not just about time, but energy. I spend about 1/4 the amount of energy doing my job that I put into my dog training and club. Also, I have a great boss, great co-workers, we all respect each other and get along. Our team is very cohesive. That alone makes work worthwhile. I've made good friends where I work and I enjoy being in close proximity so that we can meet for breaks and bitch about work politics. I like the location of my job, I can keep dogs in the kennel van when the weather is cool so my breaks are spent practicing photography at the nature preserve or walking dogs around campus. I help people all day long (part of my work is customer service/support, part is fixing things for people, and part is helping/training people). Like financeguy, I would not work if I didn't have to, but since I do at least it is in a field where I literally have people crying tears of joy over my work/help. I know I am appreciated because someone tells me so every day. That helps no matter what you do or how much money you make and now that I think about it I probably take it for granted. For whatever reason, my work just comes easy to me, I don't have to put a lot of energy into it, and the stress of the job does not affect me like it often does the rest of my team, perhaps because I *do* have other things that I look forward to and ways of escaping and relieving work stress so that it doesn't effect how I do my job.

I never said I hated my job or my work. I just don't love it the way I love working with dogs or traveling or spending a week floating in the lake reading books. I couldn't imagine not having things like that to look forward to. Paid vacation...it's not easy these days to find a job that doesn't require graduate degrees that PAYS you while you are on vacation. I was offered a different job at one point and kept the one I have now because all things relatively the same, it offered more paid vacation.

I don't love any other bands/music close to U2 but that doesn't mean I listen to them 40 hours a week, you know?
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I am 30 and have been financially independent and employed with the same company for 7 years - since a few months after graduation. Why are so many not like this? I'd blame the bad economy of the past 10 years as one factor. Jobs are harder to get. But more to the point, really good, stable jobs are becoming a thing of the past. Many jobs, even the well paying white collar ones that require a college degree, are becoming contract type positions with few benifits and little job security. My job is not like this and is 10 hours from where my folks are. But if it was like this and I was working in the same area I grew up, it would have made a lot of sense to live at home for at least a few years after college just to make sure I was on my feet and had some money in the bank in case things went south. Or, I'd have stayed in school to get my M.S. So the bad economy and the overal structural changes are one thing but I think another is a fundamental additude and culture change. 50 years ago, it was expected that you would be off on your own, married, etc..by 20 or 22. As a result, many people married their high school or college sweethearts and were quickly off to the races with adulthood. then come the 1960's and 70s and you have the increasing number or woman entering the work force and increasing divorce rates. beginning during this time it became more socially acceptable to deviate from the norm in a number of ways including not marrying, not having kids or taking longer to do these things. This trend has continued and been helped by the ecomomic factors. Also, current 20 somethings are smart to take their time with marriage knowing that the divorce rate has been high and they don't want to repeat the mistakes of their parents if they come from a broken family.
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Imagine if everyone only did work they were passionate about. . .

We'd probably have no clothes to wear, no shoes on our feet, no computers or electronics. . .

Our lifestyle is built on the backs of people that with very rare exceptions are anything but passionate about their jobs.

But then again, in much of the world the whole concept of only doing work you are passionate about is a foreign concept. They are where most of humanity has been for most of earth's history--working strictly to put food on the table. I'm not arguing pro or con here--just pointing out that without a mass of people doing the drudge work of creating the means for modern living the rest of us would be unable to pursue our dreams.
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Well, I know a few lawyers, and there is only one that seems to genuinely enjoy his job, the others are just meh.
I know very few people who are meh about it, to be honest. I'd say 90% of them fall in one of two categories - they are either the types who knew they wanted to be lawyers since they were fetuses and live, eat and breathe for their jobs or they pretty much hate what they do but they have gotten used to a certain lifestyle and standard of living that they are not willing to give up so they stay at a job they hate.

The rest are "meh" but like I said, that's definitely a minority in my circle.
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Imagine if everyone only did work they were passionate about. . .
that world does exist
and is well inhabited with people in their mid 20s and 30s, living in their own little world, in their parent's homes
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I know very few people who are meh about it, to be honest. I'd say 90% of them fall in one of two categories - they are either the types who knew they wanted to be lawyers since they were fetuses and live, eat and breathe for their jobs or they pretty much hate what they do but they have gotten used to a certain lifestyle and standard of living that they are not willing to give up so they stay at a job they hate.

The rest are "meh" but like I said, that's definitely a minority in my circle.
Well, in regards to the second category, I think the divergence is because you are talking about an environment where 12 hour + working days are the norm, so anyone without a real aptitude, drive and commitment is going to begrudge giving their employer anything but the bare minimum; whereas I am talking about people that by and large work standard office hours so they can afford to be fairly "meh". The guy I know that loves his job is a junior partner in a large firm, and works 70 hour weeks, but that is relatively unusual here (to work those long hours, I mean). In Manhattan, it's probably considered slacking for any lawyer to "only" work 70 hour weeks. I'd say most lawyers in Dublin work more or less normal office hours, but still earn a pretty good living out of it.
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Imagine if everyone only did work they were passionate about...
For me, it's easy to imagine that.
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The greed of the babyboomer generation caused the financial crash. If their 20 and 30 something offspring moving back home is the price they have to pay, then, f*** em.
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I'm 22, just graduated from college, and live with my parents again. I would LOVE to have my own place and move out, but how am I going to pay for that? Money is my main problem. I have a part-time job working for a local small business that I like fairly well, and am having trouble finding something to do with my art degree. Ideally, I would like to make most of my living painting or working with art somehow and maybe have a part-time job if necessary. I'm working on making that happen.

I'm not going to settle for a crappy job right now, because I might as well have not gone to college at all if I'm going to do something I hate for the rest of my life. If I turn 25 and I'm still in the same situation, then I guess I'll have to settle for a crappy job like everyone else. I don't want to get married right now, either; I don't really like kids and would rather be independent. Some people laugh at me when I say that I don't want to have kids, as if it's some uncontrollable urge that will come over me whether I want it or not. That kind of makes me angry; I could rant about that, but I'm not going to at the moment. Plus, I'm a little inexperienced in the whole romantic relationship department, but that's because it hasn't been a priority in my life since about middle school.
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Well, I know a few lawyers, and there is only one that seems to genuinely enjoy his job, the others are just meh. Actually interestingly enough, for the guy that does enjoy his job there is a lot of deal-making, collaborative stuff, etc, along the lines you mentioned.


agreed. most lawyers i know don't love their jobs. only the lucky ones do.

had my present career not worked out, i'd have gone to law school. while i'm sure i would have done just fine in the legal profession, what i am doing now is actually -- in a modified sense -- pursuing my "dream." so, had i been in law (or something else), i'd probably find many things to like, but i'd be creatively frustrated (and not everyone has creative ambitions).

it did, however, take a lot of struggling to get to this point, and i took plenty of time after graduating to figure out exactly what it is i wanted to do. i didn't have my first paying job in this profession until i was 25/26 years old, i worked an unpaid internship for almost a year, i have had very lean times, you are paid next to nothing in the beginning, and anxiety about the next gig is pervasive as there's next to no job stability.

i put up with that because i feel like i couldn't have not tried to do what i'm doing, and even if it all falls apart and i have to make a career change, at least i tried.

but that's my personality. i fully understand people who look for sensible, practical jobs that enable them to live their lives. i'm not one of them.
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So finding the right path is a priority over independence to many 20-somethings who have sponsorship from their parents (who raised them with the mantra to do what they love).

What's the big deal?

Some find their paths faster than others. Some never find it yet independence becomes the priority at some point.

If the due date is getting later, so what?
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I'm 22, just graduated from college, and live with my parents again. I would LOVE to have my own place and move out, but how am I going to pay for that? Money is my main problem. I have a part-time job working for a local small business that I like fairly well, and am having trouble finding something to do with my art degree. Ideally, I would like to make most of my living painting or working with art somehow and maybe have a part-time job if necessary. I'm working on making that happen.

I'm not going to settle for a crappy job right now, because I might as well have not gone to college at all if I'm going to do something I hate for the rest of my life. If I turn 25 and I'm still in the same situation, then I guess I'll have to settle for a crappy job like everyone else. I don't want to get married right now, either; I don't really like kids and would rather be independent. Some people laugh at me when I say that I don't want to have kids, as if it's some uncontrollable urge that will come over me whether I want it or not. That kind of makes me angry; I could rant about that, but I'm not going to at the moment. Plus, I'm a little inexperienced in the whole romantic relationship department, but that's because it hasn't been a priority in my life since about middle school.


only you know what's right for you. screw 'em if they think you should settle. if you can't live with yourself that way, then don't. get up every day and work at making it happen. life will change, you will change, but so long as you listen to yourself, you'll get it figured out. we're all different.
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