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Old 09-05-2008, 07:35 PM   #16
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but I do recall that Bush ran as an outsider,
someone that would bring change to the inside the beltway politics
someone that would be fresh

the appeal was that he had not been in D C
he was new, he was going to be an uniter not a divider.

an end to partisan politics

no more wars, like Bosnia
he ran as a non-interventionalist.


He was the guy that was going to have fresh, new ideas
How in the hell could anyone believe he was going to be an outside when his father was the president of the united states just eight years earlier?
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Old 09-05-2008, 08:03 PM   #17
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I am not that well educated


but I do recall that Bush ran as an outsider,
someone that would bring change to the inside the beltway politics
someone that would be fresh

the appeal was that he had not been in D C
he was new, he was going to be an uniter not a divider.

an end to partisan politics

no more wars, like Bosnia
he ran as a non-interventionalist.


He was the guy that was going to have fresh, new ideas
The problem with that is that it's hard to have conviction about those kinds of campaign slogans when everyone else is handing them to you. Bush was essentially picked by Rove for the job - this was not something that Bush was driving. Bush was the figurehead, but he sure as hell wasn't the driving force behind the campaign. Do you think any significant portion of Bush's speeches were his own words?

Obama, by contrast, is a self made man and clearly the driving force behind his campaign. He has made several intelligent, deeply thoughtful and probing speeches penned on his own on complex subjects (race in america, religion in politics), and by all accounts demonstrates a much more inquisitive and pensive intellect than Bush.

I think Obama has shown quite clearly that he is a completely different kind of politician than George W. Bush, and will run a completely different kind of ship than W. And I think you know that, too.
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Old 09-05-2008, 08:09 PM   #18
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How in the hell could anyone believe he was going to be an outside when his father was the president of the united states just eight years earlier?

8 years of Clinton / Gore

the perception of corruption tied to Gore because if the Clinton impeachment
also, before Gore was VP he was a Senator and member of Congress for several years

So Gore was the ultimate insider, much, much more than McCain can be considered today.

also, Gore had a problem with taking money at Buddhist Temples than came from Chinese nationals, this is against the law.

Early Warnings on Gore's Temple Visit - New York Times


Bush had no real association with his fathers Presidency.



certainly Bush was much more of an outsider than a 8 year sitting Vice President.

Could Cheney run today as an outsider?
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