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Old 03-09-2009, 06:40 PM   #151
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An immodest woman is like uncovered meat, and must be responsible for getting unwanted attention.

A few orders of magnitude greater than your plea for modesty, but it comes from a similar place.
You took the words right out of my mouth! The men in thiscountry are puritans too! :P
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Old 03-09-2009, 07:03 PM   #152
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Didn't know that, GaleonGirl. INteresting.

Anitram: Yes, in a lot of places, women aren't encouraged to breastfeed. Where I grew up, it was bottles and fake baby milk all the way. SO you just don't see it, which would make me have an uncomfortable moment. But I do know it's a natural thing, and that women do breastfeed. The theory versus the reality, however, can be difficult for some to parse, I think. And breastfeeding mothers are simply going to have to deal with that when they do it in public.

They're also going to have to deal with the fact that not everyone is going to cheer them on. It's sad, but it's also the reality of the country we live in, in America.
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Old 03-09-2009, 07:34 PM   #153
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I was told that the mere mention of babies can make a pregnant/recently given birth mother lactate.
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Old 03-09-2009, 07:46 PM   #154
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And breastfeeding mothers are simply going to have to deal with that when they do it in public.
Dealing with irrational and unreasonable people is what a parent does anyways.
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Old 03-09-2009, 07:47 PM   #155
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And oh yes, I did see the nursing blouses. Very pretty. But it wasn't really answering my point -- which was that I don't get the anti-blanket on baby's head when breastfeeding argument, when I've seen babies with blankets over their faces at many, many other times, indoors or out. It doesn't make sense. If you're going to insist on a blanket shrouding a baby's head at any other time, then the baby should be all right with a blanket on his head at that time. Not that I personally agree with blanketing a kid's head, and can even see where it's probably nicer to be able to see your baby's face while feeding him or her.
One of my friends had a baby while in law school and brought him to class (as young as 5 days old) and continued to do so. She breastfed him in class as well. When he was little, he didn't mind being covered by the blanket. Once he got to be about 6 months old, he liked looking around at the world while he was feeding and he'd start kicking his legs and wouldn't latch on and would scream if you tried to cover him. So it's not always as easy as you think.
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Old 03-09-2009, 09:32 PM   #156
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Wow. Interesting. Breasts are not erogenous zones? This is news to me. Seems to me that a lot of women who enjoy -- and feel sexual about -- having their breasts fondled, licked, and sucked by adults of either sexes haven't got this news flash. They're /both/. One doesn't take precedence over the other. Like the penis and vagina have more than one function. It depends on the situation you're using them for.
Obviously, a woman doesn't have an orgasm (that I know of, having never breastfed) while breastfeeding, but I would imagine most women who breastfeed aren't exactly repulsed by the sensation of their baby breastfeeding. Pleasant hormones to make a woman want to feed her kid, or somesuch.
Actually, the vagina doesn't serve any other function besides sexual/reproductive (which are essentially the same.) And the vaginal canal itself isn't all that sexually sensitive. Being the birth canal, it's thankfully short on nerve endings, with the clitoris (which is not even next to the vaginal opening) serving as the supreme sexual organ in females. Aside from the opening, and the g-spot (which isn't sensitive at all in many females), the vagina itself provides very little sexual pleasure for women.

As for breasts... yes they are an erogenous zone, and that serves as a function too. Breast stimulation directly affects the uterus, because after giving birth, women are meant to begin nursing right away, this causes uterine contractions which help the uterus get back to its normal size. Nipple stimulation can also aid in childbirth by doing the same thing, which is why often women in the late stages of pregnancy try to avoid excess nipple stimulation, as it can bring on early labour.

But you're not too far from the mark. Women have reportedly experienced orgasms from breastfeeding. However, that is a rare occasion, and for the most part, while light nipple stimulation can feel incredibly good, anything heavy or rough can get very painful, very fast. I'm not a mother and have never breastfed, but I've had to tell boyfriends to back off before when stimulation went quickly from pleasurable to painful. And believe me, babies are much greedier than men. Think about the amount of suction a baby must apply to get the milk.

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And oh yes, I did see the nursing blouses. Very pretty. But it wasn't really answering my point -- which was that I don't get the anti-blanket on baby's head when breastfeeding argument, when I've seen babies with blankets over their faces at many, many other times, indoors or out. It doesn't make sense. If you're going to insist on a blanket shrouding a baby's head at any other time, then the baby should be all right with a blanket on his head at that time. Not that I personally agree with blanketing a kid's head, and can even see where it's probably nicer to be able to see your baby's face while feeding him or her. Discretion, though, IS a good thing. Like those shirts. Or finding a way to do it so your boob isn't waving around (which, obviously, 99 percent of breastfeeding mothers DO do) for others to see.
For one, it can be very uncomfortable for the baby in hot weather, especially as babies lack the ability to sweat. And as anitram has pointed out, older babies won't put up with it. Both mother and baby like to see each other and maintain eye contact during feedings, and once babies become aware of the world around them, they hate having it closed off from them.

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I was told that the mere mention of babies can make a pregnant/recently given birth mother lactate.
Not so sure about that, but there does seem to be a very strong physiological connection between a mother, her milk, and her baby. If a woman hears her baby crying, she'll begin lactating, and can even start to do so before the baby even starts crying. It's quite interesting.
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Many people have tremendous difficulty compartmentalizing the two functions. Including some new mothers who choose not to breastfeed at all for this reason. Sad for the babies.

As more of the current echo boom 20somethings start families, public breastfeeding will become a non-issue. Those who continue to be uncomfortable about it may still complain but no one will be listening.
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Okay, I have to tease you, Dream: a woman pees with her vagina. Okay, maybe not the birth canal itself, but um..unless the woman has some... interesting anatomy down there, the urinary opening is down there, too. Heh. But yeah, I you get my point. The functions are not as separated as we puritanical, hysterical Americans would like to believe.

Makes me think of a friend of mine whose wife recently had a baby. The guy gets treated like a walking wallet, not a human being with needs. It's all about the baby for his wife, and he does not exist except to pay the bills. Ironically, she gets angry when he chooses to go out every once in awhile to get away from her and the baby mania.
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A woman pees with her vagina?
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Dude seriously get an anatomy book.
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However, that is a rare occasion, and for the most part, while light nipple stimulation can feel incredibly good, anything heavy or rough can get very painful, very fast. I'm not a mother and have never breastfed, but I've had to tell boyfriends to back off before when stimulation went quickly from pleasurable to painful. And believe me, babies are much greedier than men. Think about the amount of suction a baby must apply to get the milk.
Yep. Breastfeeding can be quite painful. A lot of women have difficulties with it.

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Okay, I have to tease you, Dream: a woman pees with her vagina. Okay, maybe not the birth canal itself, but um..unless the woman has some... interesting anatomy down there, the urinary opening is down there, too. Heh. But yeah, I you get my point. The functions are not as separated as we puritanical, hysterical Americans would like to believe.

Makes me think of a friend of mine whose wife recently had a baby. The guy gets treated like a walking wallet, not a human being with needs. It's all about the baby for his wife, and he does not exist except to pay the bills. Ironically, she gets angry when he chooses to go out every once in awhile to get away from her and the baby mania.

Wow. You really have lead a sheltered life. May I suggest you look on the internet for some book on female anatomy?


And ofcourse it's annoying for a guy that all the attention goes out to the baby and the wife, but that will pass. A man should never choose to go out to get away from his wife imo. He may choose to get some time for himself, but not to get away from her.
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A man should never choose to go out to get away from his wife imo. He may choose to get some time for himself, but not to get away from her.
Wow you must have had some ideal relationships because I've certainly wanted and needed to get away from the other person on occasion. And I never thought there was anything wrong with that either.
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You took the words right out of my mouth! The men in thiscountry are puritans too! :P
You dont think some senior women who werent used to seeing it in public might feel uncomfortable? Nowhere in my argument did i say that it was only men. Equating my comments to that picture is about as twisted as it gets
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