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Old 03-07-2009, 06:36 PM   #136
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haha!

nope, that's right. no middle ground, gang!
... either you're for it or you're not, basically.

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I think it stems from the same reason parents lose their shit when a 'curse' word is uttered on TV.

It forces them to communicate with their kids, and could cause them embarrassment, either in that conversation or in the resulting actions of their own child because they didn't lay down the law hard enough, or well reasoned enough.

In other words, it's an entirely selfish reason.
Yes, I agree with this.
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Old 03-07-2009, 07:21 PM   #137
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I like warm Guinness from the tap - and nobody gets pissed. My kids deserves the same treatment.
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Old 03-07-2009, 07:23 PM   #138
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intellectualism is at its finest when answers on such matters can be answered with "either you're for it or you're not, basically."

how the fucking hell can anyone even begin to debate with such a ridiculous attitude?
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Old 03-07-2009, 07:47 PM   #139
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I think my problem has less to do about the issue of breast feeding in public than it does with the "well its my right and you have no business telling me otherwise" mentality. Its like when I was a kid and used to hold my hands REALLY close to my sisters face. She'd be yelling at me to stop, but I'd always say "I'm not touching you. you cant do anything about it. I can put my hands here if i want". Sure I had a right to do that. My sister didnt own the space 2 inches from her nose, but it wasnt very considerate of me (though sadistically satisfying at the time). Its a stretch to place that lack of consideration onto a nursing mother and yes, theres an element of lack of consideration on the other side too. But I dont know. Maybe its a completely new topic all together, though it might be too broad to discuss. I'm going to be completely ignorant right now and say that there seems to be a great deal of that in the States. A whole lot of "well, the constitution says I can do this, so fuck off" (I'm sure my views are skewed due to the large percentage of American media thats broadcast up here). Like the NRA holding a rally in a town shortly after a school shooting to reenforce the fact that its an American's right to own a gun. Yes, we realize its your right, but show a little bit of tact. Now before anyone jumps all over me, I'm not claiming that breast feeding in public lies anywhere NEAR the same ballpark as that. Its relatively benign...I'm just kind of writing stream of consciousness...and rambling, no doubt. Anyway, anyone have any thoughts or is there not even much to comment on?
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Old 03-07-2009, 11:25 PM   #140
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Hey Jive Turkey, can I ask you something. Would you also be bothered by a non-breastfeeding woman exposing her breasts in public? Because... I hate to break it to you, but that's perfectly legal in your city.

It's only our westernized society that has a huge problem with this, and I can't help but think that it has something to do with men's oversexualization of the breast, obsession with porn, and distaste at seeing breasts used for their natural function instead of as sexual objects. Breasts are sexualized all over the planet, but in the third world, breastfeeding is much, much, MUCH more common and not seen as icky by men and women alike, and thus no one is bothered by it.

But let's talk about covering up a little. I don't think a woman should necessarily flap all her boobage out in public in order to breastfeed, and most don't, not in public. I'm sure at least 80% of nursing mothers out there will cover up to some extent.
I'm not a mother and have never nursed a baby, but I do have experience handling them. With the "blanket over the shoulder" technique, the mother would hold the baby in a cradle hold/nursing position, toss the blanket over one shoulder (not hard to do with one hand), then under the blanket, expose the breast and give it to the baby.
However, I do agree that the blanket method can be uncomfortable, both physically and emotionally for both mother and baby. But, it's not necessary anyway! Hundreds of companies have invented nursing wear, and I've never known a single nursing mother who didn't buy some nursing tops to use when in public.

Lastly, let's look at a couple of photo examples. Which of these photos is more sexual/dirty:



According to most public decency laws and the FCC rules for television, the nipple/areola is the only part of the breast that must be concealed. The rest can be flaunted far and wide. But, when breastfeeding, LESS of the breast is exposed than if a woman were wearing pasties. In fact, the amount of the breast typically exposed is no more than if a woman were wearing a very low cut top. The baby's mouth covers quite a bit of the extra "exposed" flesh.

So why does every one think it's so dirty? It can't be because they don't think women should be exposing the top part of their breasts. Certainly no one has a problem with women doing that on every TV show and magazine cover. No, the problem is not with the breasts, it's with the babies hanging off of them. But we can fix that:



The same amount of breast exposure, WITHOUT a baby, isn't dirty for some reason. Imagine that.
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Old 03-08-2009, 03:57 AM   #141
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Which of these photos is more sexual/dirty:
Madonna's cleavage. Nice and meaty 90's Madonna.
Nowadays she looks like Skeletor with a wig and a muscle skin suit.

Oh, you meant the other photos?
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Old 03-08-2009, 04:33 AM   #142
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Hey DreamOutLoud13 ,

I dont have any problem with breast displayed in public at all. I know its legal in my city (hell, I was about 19 when the law was passed, so I was ALL about it ) Thats not really my issue (the more boobies the merrier if you ask me). If you read a page or two back, you'll see where I stand. However, I have to disagree with the term 'oversexualization' when talking about breasts. I dont think its fair to chalk up men's obsession (or even just desire) of breasts as being juvenile or a product of society. Its not a contrived notion for men to be attracted to them. Its not a coincidence that men all over the planet are attracted to them. There are subliminal signals sent that a woman with large breasts is fertile and therefor would make a suitable mate (according to some researchers). Its hardwired into our brains to find the shape of them arousing. its seen as superficial if a man finds a woman's breasts attractive, yet if he says the same woman has a pretty face, its okay. How is it any different? They're just different parts of the same person. I just dont think its fair to raise the 'breasts arent meant as sexual objects' argument. I think its clear just by the fact that we're talking about it, that there is in fact a sexual aspect to them. Also, raising the cultural aspect of it is not entirely fair either. Cultures differ tremendously and there are many practices in some countries that westerners would find offputting and vice versa. Bidays arent common in north america, yet there are some cultures that would find that gross....Anway, my stance isnt against a woman's right to breastfeed in public. Its in defense of other people's right to be uncomfortable around it and to have their feelings taken into consideration as well
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This reminds me of all the baby clinics i've been at, where mothers have been quite comfortable to breast feed, and hey guys i've managed to keep it in my trousers and not feel uncomfortable in anyway....that may also be because there's loads of screaming babies driving me mad, but that's my two cents. Baby clinics can be quite fun, well babies are amusing

I also had a biology teacher who drove breast feeding into my head 'make sure your wife breast feeds', she would go way off track in class on it, but twas always good, especially considering we were an all boy school.

Plus now in baby clinic I have to positively enforce breast feeding in new mums and old ones for that matter.
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Madonna's cleavage. Nice and meaty 90's Madonna.
Nowadays she looks like Skeletor with a wig and a muscle skin suit.
That photo is from 2004

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Its in defense of other people's right to be uncomfortable around it and to have their feelings taken into consideration as well
It's not hard to avert your eyes. There's plenty going on in the world that make other people uncomfortable. We can't cover it all up with a blanket, sometimes we just have to look away.
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I always thought this was kind of a stupid, overblown argument/discussion anyway. How many mothers do you know that are not very discreet? I know that all my friends/relatives with babies would almost always totally cover the baby with a blanket (sometimes to the baby's chagrin!), or would breastfeed in such a manner that you honestly had no idea they were doing it. I've also never been in public, whether it be a mall or a restaurant and had a woman just strip down and start breastfeeding as if she were on a nude beach.

So either people who are bothered live in places where attitudes towards breastfeeding are markedly different than the ones I've encountered, or this is just a manufactured outrage thing.
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intellectualism is at its finest when answers on such matters can be answered with "either you're for it or you're not, basically."

how the fucking hell can anyone even begin to debate with such a ridiculous attitude?
I agree with this.




Because, after all, only a Sith Lord deals in absolutes. m i rite?
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I always thought this was kind of a stupid, overblown argument/discussion anyway. How many mothers do you know that are not very discreet? I know that all my friends/relatives with babies would almost always totally cover the baby with a blanket (sometimes to the baby's chagrin!), or would breastfeed in such a manner that you honestly had no idea they were doing it. I've also never been in public, whether it be a mall or a restaurant and had a woman just strip down and start breastfeeding as if she were on a nude beach.

So either people who are bothered live in places where attitudes towards breastfeeding are markedly different than the ones I've encountered, or this is just a manufactured outrage thing.
manufactured outrage at free your mind?

that'd be a first...
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Wow. Interesting. Breasts are not erogenous zones? This is news to me. Seems to me that a lot of women who enjoy -- and feel sexual about -- having their breasts fondled, licked, and sucked by adults of either sexes haven't got this news flash. They're /both/. One doesn't take precedence over the other. Like the penis and vagina have more than one function. It depends on the situation you're using them for.
Obviously, a woman doesn't have an orgasm (that I know of, having never breastfed) while breastfeeding, but I would imagine most women who breastfeed aren't exactly repulsed by the sensation of their baby breastfeeding. Pleasant hormones to make a woman want to feed her kid, or somesuch.

And oh yes, I did see the nursing blouses. Very pretty. But it wasn't really answering my point -- which was that I don't get the anti-blanket on baby's head when breastfeeding argument, when I've seen babies with blankets over their faces at many, many other times, indoors or out. It doesn't make sense. If you're going to insist on a blanket shrouding a baby's head at any other time, then the baby should be all right with a blanket on his head at that time. Not that I personally agree with blanketing a kid's head, and can even see where it's probably nicer to be able to see your baby's face while feeding him or her. Discretion, though, IS a good thing. Like those shirts. Or finding a way to do it so your boob isn't waving around (which, obviously, 99 percent of breastfeeding mothers DO do) for others to see.

We have to remember the selective squeamishness of Americans, retarded as it is. We also have to educate selectively squeamish Americans that breasts both titillate and feed.
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Actually I've heard it's mostly uncomfortable. During the pregnancy the nipple area gets really sensitive and may hurt a lot, and babies won't make that any less!
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