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Old 07-24-2013, 03:59 AM   #1
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Walmart not Coming to Washington DC

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Typical liberal lawmakers passes law that Walmart must pay their employees a minimum wage of $12.50 an hr. All other companies pay $8.25 an hr.

Chicago tried the same thing until Walmart opened stores one block outside Chicago in the suburbs. Now those suburbs are enjoying tax revenue and Chicago is begging to open stores in Chicago. Wow were they wrong.
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Goddamn liberals and their goddamn meddling in the god ordained free market... tell you what, I promise to use the phrase 'tax eaters' in this thread if someone gets me drunk.
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Wal-Mart Threatens to Pull Out of Washington, D.C. - US News and World Report

Typical liberal lawmakers passes law that Walmart must pay their employees a minimum wage of $12.50 an hr. All other companies pay $8.25 an hr.

Chicago tried the same thing until Walmart opened stores one block outside Chicago in the suburbs. Now those suburbs are enjoying tax revenue and Chicago is begging to open stores in Chicago. Wow were they wrong.
When the CEO is raking in a cool 20 Million a year - I think it's hard to sympathize with Walmart management. The GOP championing discrepancies like this is one of the main reasons I left the party. Am I really expected to believe that this CEO (and almost every other one) is so talented, so smart, so unique that he earned and deserved 20 million a year?

And why in the world have conservative, middle-class Americans allowed themselves to be the mouthpiece and voting block for this New Aristocracy?
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Plus Wal-Mart is a crap store. I have no noble, altruistic reasons for not shopping there. I just don't enjoy the Wal-Mart shopping experience .
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i think Wal-Mart makes sense in rural communities, it doesn't make sense in urban communities where it's likely to have a devastating effect on the small businesses that create great urban spaces. corporatism is not capitalism.

there's a lot of discussion on this here in DC, i will say that. and one of the things a "living wage" does is actually decrease dependence on state/local services because people don't need them if they are making a living wage. employing a bunch of people at a cheap rate where they will still need public assistance to get by is a drain on local economies. WalMart makes their profits through their employees by expecting the state and federal government to pay for food stamps and medicaid. and 20 hours a week at $8.25 isn't enough to get by in most coastal cities, let alone DC. why should i as a taxpayer subsidize a business that's going to make money off of keeping people in near poverty and living off the dole?

all that said ... i have to think that some job is better than no job, and where this was scheduled to open is near a very rough housing project. they are also in "food deserts" so, despite their crappy produce, at least it's some produce, and people won't have to spend their days on the bus trying to get groceries.

but it's hard to feel any sort of sorrow for WalMart. they leave local businesses in ruins. the long term devastation seems unable to justify any short term employment benefit.
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Plus Wal-Mart is a crap store. I have no noble, altruistic reasons for not shopping there. I just don't enjoy the Wal-Mart shopping experience .
This is it exactly.

It isn't as if there aren't other stores where you could also shop cheaply and which offer a comparably better experience - Costco, Target, etc.
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I've never understood why people say Target is cheap. They're no where near the prices Wal-Mart offers.
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I've never understood why people say Target is cheap. They're no where near the prices Wal-Mart offers.
From where I'm standing, Target only arrived in Canada this past summer. So my prior experiences with it were all in the US, whereas we have Walmarts all over the place.

Target in the US extraordinarily cheap for Canadians. Our retail prices are much higher than yours in every respect.

I don't personally like to shop at a Walmart because I find it gross.
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i don't personally like to shop at a walmart because i find it gross.
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From where I'm standing, Target only arrived in Canada this past summer. So my prior experiences with it were all in the US, whereas we have Walmarts all over the place.

Target in the US extraordinarily cheap for Canadians. Our retail prices are much higher than yours in every respect.

I don't personally like to shop at a Walmart because I find it gross.
I just remember being told most of my life that Target was like this better, but equally cheap Wal-Mart. Then I finally moved somewhere that had one, and I was super disappointed to find that that was hardly true at all. I'm not sure what makes them so much more acceptable to everyone else, besides having better clothing options.

But I can understand where you're coming from on that one

I do personally shop at Wal-mart because...I don't have a ton of other options, really. I mix it up, usually, between a few places for groceries, but for everything else? Basically stick to Wal-mart.
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Am I really expected to believe that this CEO (and almost every other one) is so talented, so smart, so unique that he earned and deserved 20 million a year?[/I][/B]?
This may be a good topic for a separate thread.

I think it is easy to characterize income discrepancy between CEOs and front line employees as inherently wrong, but people generally don't understand what a CEO needs to do to earn that money, and more importantly, what it takes to increase the revenue of the business to simply cover costs. Take a one-year Cost of Living raise - spread that out over a large entity and you need a large chunk of revenue. You can't simply make that revenue by raising prices - that may hurt sales. You need a broad-based strategy to achieve this one, simple goal.

Now, take that basic goal and plan a strategy that continues that growth over decades. I think it is safe to say that not one of us could accomplish this task.
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This may be a good topic for a separate thread.

I think it is easy to characterize income discrepancy between CEOs and front line employees as inherently wrong, but people generally don't understand what a CEO needs to do to earn that money, and more importantly, what it takes to increase the revenue of the business to simply cover costs.
Would be an excellent topic.

We could consider the historical averages of the ratio of CEO to employee pay and also ratios across western democracies. Let's not forget that the extreme ratio in the US today is a very recent phenomenon and that CEOs of the past apparently managed to lead successful companies on a more equitable basis.
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I don't personally like to shop at a Walmart because I find it gross.
Is it because of its shoppers?

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Would be an excellent topic.

We could consider the historical averages of the ratio of CEO to employee pay and also ratios across western democracies. Let's not forget that the extreme ratio in the US today is a very recent phenomenon and that CEOs of the past apparently managed to lead successful companies on a more equitable basis.
The result of the discouraging trend to consider short term profits over the long term success of the company, Because of their mobility, the CEO's are less tied to the companies and the boards appear terrified of letting this perhaps charismatic, but long-term-less-than -successful CEO go. I've never understood the golden parachute where the company says, "We have to give the CEO a cushion to fail miserably or he will go somewhere else." The sad result of paying mediocrity well.
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