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Old 05-06-2009, 03:36 PM   #31
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This sale happened at many other stores without fatal results. I don't think they should have to expect that it may lead to trampling deaths.
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Old 05-06-2009, 03:43 PM   #32
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This sale happened at many other stores without fatal results
And that's probably due to, in large part, organization and planning by those stores. Most give out tags for each item and let people in in a controlled way-and they have proper security. Wal Mart likes to cut corners-they need the money.
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Money doesn't change a thing for that poor mans family but hopefully they can use to at least make their lives somewhat more comfortable in the future

This story is such a stinging indictment on the hideousness of consumerism and the hold it has on some people - yes the store should have been much better prepared but the people at that sale should have behaved better also - makes me more than sad to think that some poor fellow died because a bunch of people wanted to save money on stuff - in fact, it makes me furious

May he rest in peace
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This sale happened at many other stores without fatal results. I don't think they should have to expect that it may lead to trampling deaths.
Yes, there were other sales all over the country given by other retailers as well, guess who had the most injuries? WalMart. Guess who had a fatalaty? WalMart.

You don't think their lawyers tried you line of logic?
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I wonder if there is anyway to prosecute any of the tramplers...
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^ As I recall, they'd initially hoped to identify specific individuals who might be held accountable from the security cam footage, but I gather that wasn't possible.
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Old 05-07-2009, 07:31 AM   #37
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I wonder if there is anyway to prosecute any of the tramplers...
No money to be made there.
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Old 05-08-2009, 01:19 PM   #38
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kinda disturbing that today people would care more about saving a couple bucks on some shitty chinese products quicker than someone else, rather than the human being they are stepping over to get to it.
I agree. This is absolutely horrible.

I don't know about the rest of the Walmarts, but the one in my township. Has some of the most ignorant people on earth, shopping there. They hit into you with their shopping carts and don't even say "sorry or excuse me." Their kids are screaming and the parents (if you can call them that) are screaming and cursing them back. I hate that store. I only go there, when my mom wants to go. She likes their five dollar dvds. And this errand is done on a weekday morning, only. I can't tolerate their weekend crowd.

Being working class. I would much rather shop at the Kmart, which is within walking distance to my house. They have some nice products for the home. Such as bath towels and shower curtains. Plus, the employees are very nice and so are the customers.
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the problem is, you combine the hysteria of these doorbuster deals on black friday with poor planning (what, did they think no one would show up or something?), you're going to have a problem on your hands, even if it's for saks fifth avenue or gucci. i'm glad to see the ny wal-marts are at least going to put better policies in place, though i'm disappointed they're not making it a company-wide policy. so what, just because this happened in new york, it won't happen anywhere else? with the economy the way it is and the fact that these black friday deals start earlier and earlier, you're just going to get more people worked up into a frenzy every year because they just HAVE to be the first one to buy the $50 laptop. these sales happen in all 50 states, so there should be company policies in place nationwide.
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Do it like several of the venues on U2 tours: no one on the property until X-time of day.

I think these sales things are pretty dumb, yes, but I still think the problem is with the people and not as much with the store.
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I think these sales things are pretty dumb, yes, but I still think the problem is with the people and not as much with the store.
agreed (i do like shopping on black friday, though i'm not the type who lines up before the store opens to get the ridiculous deals advertised, i just stop by in the afternoon and browse what's for sale). unfortunately though it's easier to change how the store behaves than how people behave.
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Yeah I went out this past time, I went to the mall at 6am. Wasn't busy in the mall. A few stores were busy (like Menards), but not dangerously busy or anything. I got everything I wanted in about 45 minutes and was back in bed before the sun came up. I went out mainly b/c I liked the thought of ALL Christmas shopping being done and then still having the entire day to myself (rather than going to the mall at 10am, and now that I think about it the mall is usually busier during normal hours than it was when I went). I would have bought the same things I bought at regular price. I did not see any fighting, yelling, trampling...not really any lines except waves of people wanting to check out. Not every person in America is so insanely self-centered.
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I think these sales things are pretty dumb, yes, but I still think the problem is with the people and not as much with the store.

The problem is these sales are not new, and major injuries happen every year, this isn't even the only fatality, so measures have to be taken by the stores, they have precedent to work from...

That being said, basic human decency does tell you to try and stop once you realize you are walking on someone's back, but we all know how communication can almost seize when you are hearding in a huge group of humans all at once.
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Not every person in America is so insanely self-centered.
exactly. i did do the lining up at 5 am or whatever time it was once before and i didn't experience any problems either. granted, it might've been different had i been in line at best buy (i was outside of sears which isn't exactly where i go to shop, but they were the first store opening that day at our mall) but i've never heard stories locally of huge mobs crushing and pushing people.
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