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Old 05-30-2012, 05:05 PM   #76
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I'm trying to say that there seems to me to be a double standard as regards the attention by powerful mainstream liberals in the US, including Obama, Jesse Jackson, Rev Al Sharpton, and the people who support them, place on the issues raised in the articles posted OP, as compared to the huge fuss and national attention place on the alleged killing of Trayvon Martin by George Zimmerman - the story behind which turned out, as everyone is now aware, to be not quite how those who were seeking to make political capital out of the incident (the true "race-baiters", if you ask me) tried to portray and would have wished.
I think you are really missing the plot here.

One is a fairly routine (though vile) crime that is probably committed on American soil many times every year. The other is a potential crime committed under appalling legislation which is most certainly not the norm anywhere else in the common law world, which went uninvestigated, plagued by questionable policing, questionable evidence, a suggestive 911 call and which has a potentially significant impact on race relations in the US. It may not have been racially motivated at all in the end, who knows - but that is part of an investigation that should have, and did not take place.

You then take a crime, committed abroad, and somehow equate the importance of the two and draw ridiculous conclusions from the difference in media attention. Interestingly, you did not bring up how the Obamanation lamestream media also covers, in excruciating 24/7 cable news detail, the disappearance of every cute white woman, when minorities who are missing or murdered don't typically get that type of coverage. But I guess that doesn't fit with your narrative of Obama-salivating liberals.
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Old 05-30-2012, 05:07 PM   #78
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Nothing. He tried to made a point which was shown to be complete garbage, then has been grasping since. The financeguy meltdown continues
I love how he's completely dodging the question made by many, though. And he keeps on changing the topic and dig an even bigger hole for himself. Then passes the ball that we are all a bunch of racists.
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That is at least a civil response.

So, if it is the case that there is indeed a brand of hip hop that is extremely misynogistic - and I myself was the first to note in the thread that this type of music has been criticised by other black musicians themselves, e.g. Smokey, why is it so far to travel that the characters referred to in the articles linked to in the OP might in some way have been influenced by this brand of hip-hop in carrying out the heinous acts that the Japanese police believe they committed?
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So, if it is the case that there is indeed a brand of hip hop that is extremely misynogistic - and I myself was the first to note in the thread that this type of music has been criticised by other black musicians themselves, e.g. Smokey, why is it so far to travel that the characters referred to in the articles linked to in the OP might in some way have been influenced by this brand of hip-hop in carrying out the heinous acts that the Japanese police believe they committed?
That is an entirely different topic from the one where you suggested that the Obamanation mainstream media was electing to not cover the murder of a white victim by black perpetrators.
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I think you are really missing the plot here.

One is a fairly routine (though vile) crime that is probably committed on American soil many times every year.
Actually, though the US does have a comparatively high murder rate by international standards, when we take out the murders due to domestic incidents, drug violence, "crimes of passion", etc, the remaining numbers, the really vile stuff, are not necessarily so high - this type of crime, as it turns out, is mercifully rare.

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You then take a crime, committed abroad, and somehow equate the importance of the two and draw ridiculous conclusions from the difference in media attention.
Committed abroad by American citizens though, unfortunately. And after attending a concert performance by a major American rap performer.

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Interestingly, you did not bring up how the Obamanation lamestream media also covers, in excruciating 24/7 cable news detail, the disappearance of every cute white woman, when minorities who are missing or murdered don't typically get that type of coverage. But I guess that doesn't fit with your narrative of Obama-salivating liberals.
Well, I don't know about that. There was a thread about a white blonde female student who disappeared on this very forum last summer and it didn't get much interest. I followed the case (she is still missing, unfortunately) and while there were some mentions on CNN and Fox, most of the coverage was to be found in the local media.
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why is it so far to travel that the characters referred to in the articles linked to in the OP might in some way have been influenced by this brand of hip-hop in carrying out the heinous acts that the Japanese police believe they committed?
Because, in the world of knee jerk reactions that you referred to earlier, this would be the laziest and most knee jerk of them all. (and again, this isn't even the point you were trying to originally make, but you seem to have convinced yourself otherwise)
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I love how he's completely dodging the question made by many, though. And he keeps on changing the topic and dig an even bigger hole for himself. Then passes the ball that we are all a bunch of racists.
Grow up. I answered the questions.
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And after attending a concert performance by a major American rap performer.
Are you using a time machine from the 1990's? Are you going to blame videogames next?
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Because, in the world of knee jerk reactions that you referred to earlier, this would be the laziest and most knee jerk of them all. (and again, this isn't even the point you were trying to originally make, but you seem to have convinced yourself otherwise)
Because it's a separate point. The US mainstream media seem to have been mostly silent so far.
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If you honestly, truly and sincerely believe, in your heart and soul, that any of those art forms are as frequently and aggressively misogynistic as hip-hop, then you have been drinking the Kool-Aid for so long and have imbibed it in such industrial quantities that the unfortunate victims of the Reverend Jim Jones look like models of rationality and clear-mindedness compared to your brain.
You admittedly don't even know a lot of rap(or now you say "hip hop" which is even moreso out of touch), so where are you gathering your intel from? The same place that you informed yourself about America's college experience? This is a pattern with you over the years, you establish a false reality based on movies, blogs, or novels and you come off completely detached.

Yes, a lot of rap, especially gangster rap is misogynistic, no one is denying that, but to say all rap or even all "black culture" is just makes you look willfully ignorant or even worse just flat out racist.
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Because it's a separate point. The US mainstream media seem to have been mostly silent so far.
Because in the grand scheme of things, it's somewhat unremarkable. The only reason you know about it is because an irish person was involved
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Are you using a time machine from the 1990's? Are you going to blame videogames next?
Fine.

Find me a case of a drugging, rape and murder of a black female committed by two crazed rock fans from New Jersey after attending a Bon Jovi concert.

Shouldn't be difficult, right?
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Fine.

Find me a case of a drugging, rape and murder of a black female committed by two crazed rock fans from New Jersey after attending a Bon Jovi concert.

Shouldn't be difficult, right?
You can't be serious? You realize the many stories that people have attached to metal bands and rock music right? I mean you are not this detached, right?

People have been trying to associate murders, rapes, and crime to music for decades.
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Fine.

Find me a case of a drugging, rape and murder of a black female committed by two crazed rock fans from New Jersey after attending a Bon Jovi concert.

Shouldn't be difficult, right?
The concert had nothing to do with it! It was a fucking NICKI MINAJ CONCERT!
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