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Old 05-29-2012, 08:58 PM   #46
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Ohh shut the fuck up.

I'm listening to Kanye right now. Might smack a bitch later. Moron.
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How about half of the hair bands of the 80s? Kiss? Or the Nickelback "I like you better on your knees" brorock? Your head is so far up your tight ass that it's cutting off circulation to your brain
Regardless of what you think of financeguy's argument, this is out of line. Let's keep the insults out of it, please.
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Old 05-29-2012, 09:01 PM   #47
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I kind of wanted to comment that this didn't get reported by US media because the we hate Irish people, but that just seemed mean.






No, really - it's an awful story.
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Generally, if a U.S. citizen is killed overseas, it'll likely get some attention back here at home. If the U.S. citizen is the one doing the killing overseas, we're not going to be as likely to mention that story. That has squat to do with race and everything to do with, "U.S.A. #1! Unless they do something that makes us look bad, then, you know, we don't want to talk about it".

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Rock music's misogynistic? Can we cite some examples? REM? U2? Bruce Springsteen? Arcade Fire? Radiohead? Coldplay? PJ Harvey? Cher?
Are you freaking kidding me with this?

*Cracks knuckles*

Buckcherry ("Crazy Bitch", aka, a song I despise to no end)
Nickelback
Motley Crue
Warrant ("Cherry Pie", anyone?)
Rolling Stones ("Under My Thumb", as stated)
Ted Nugent
My Darkest Days (song entitled "Porn Star Dancing")
KISS ("Christine Sixteen")
Def Leppard
Hinder ("Lips of an Angel". Look at the lyrics to that one and see just how sweet and romantic they are!)
Van Halen ("Hot For Teacher". I know many women find the video for that in particular pretty offensive)
Guns N' Roses
Aerosmith (Steven Tyler's daughter danced at a strip club in one of their videos)

...to name but a few to kick things off. Trust me, I could go on.

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Implying that rock music is institutionally misogynistic (as opposed to individual artists occasionally displaying elements of misogyny) in the way that hip hop is just isn't a sustainable argument. It simply isn't worth taking seriously and is a complete deflection on the part of those who are either too cowardly or naive to critique elements of black culture for fear of being accused of racism.
Um, except, no. It is just as institutionally misogynistic as rap music is. Ever hear of the term "groupie"? Ever see the '80s metal videos where women are flashing themselves at guys and writhing around on stripper poles (or on the hood of a car, a la the Whitesnake "Here I Go Again" video)? Ever hear the stories about girls being snuck backstage to have a wild night with the guys? Life on the road stories of sex and drugs and rock 'n' roll?

I never once denied that rap music has its problems, too. It sure as hell does. But EVERY means of entertainment is like that, race be damned. It has less to do with the color of the skin of the people involved and more to do with the fact that a lot of men out there treat women like shit. I don't want to hear any man degrading me or other women, I don't give a damn who they are.

And besides that, ultimately, whether the guys in the links you shared were listening to rap music or rock music, or part of that scene, ultimately, they and they alone are still responsible for their actions (you know, that whole "personal responsiblity" thing that conservatives are supposedly so big on?). They had problems with women for quite some time, their musical tastes aside. As stated earlier: plenty of people listen to rap music and DON'T mistreat women. Those that do abuse women, the problem runs much deeper.

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If you genuinely don't believe that modern day hip hop is institutionally misogynistic to its core, you either haven't listened to any recently, or don't understand the lyrics.
Again, not once did I ever say such a thing. Not once. There's assholes in that culture, for sure, and lyrics that bother me very much.

I'm curious as to how much rap music you listen to, though. If you seemed genuinely surprised by my mention of how sexist rock music is, then I question how much variety of music you've heard, period.
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I know there is a lot of misogyny in rap, but I don't know that I'd take it as far "institutionalized" or inherent in the genre.
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Um, except, no. It is just as institutionally misogynistic as rap music is. Ever hear of the term "groupie"? Ever see the '80s metal videos where women are flashing themselves at guys and writhing around on stripper poles (or on the hood of a car, a la the Whitesnake "Here I Go Again" video)? Ever hear the stories about girls being snuck backstage to have a wild night with the guys? Life on the road stories of sex and drugs and rock 'n' roll?
rap still has a lot of catching up to do to reach anywhere near the extends of debauchery going on in rock in the 70s and 80s

I can safely say that the majority of rap music is still a lot less offensive than this thread

and I still don't know what Obama has to do with it
unless he became deeply involved in the music industry when I wasn't paying attention
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Regardless of what you think of financeguy's argument, this is out of line. Let's keep the insults out of it, please.
Sorry. Just get frustrated. I know he's trolling, but I'm really passionate about hip-hop

Maybe he should read these.

Yo, check it one for Charlie Hustle, two for Steady Rock
Three for the fourth coming live, future shock
It's five dimensions, six senses
Seven firmaments of heaven to hell, 8 Million Stories to tell
Nine planets faithfully keep in orbit
With the probable tenth, the universe expands length
The body of my text posses extra strength
Power-lifting powerless up, out of this, towering inferno
My ink so hot it burn through the journal
I'm blacker than midnight on Broadway and Myrtle
Hip-Hop past all your tall social hurdles
Like the nationwide projects, prison-industry complex
Broken glass wall better keep your alarm set
Streets too loud to ever hear freedom sing
Say evacuate your sleep, it's dangerous to dream
But you chain cats get they CHA-POW, who dead now
Killing fields need blood to graze the cash cow
It's a number game, but shit don't add up somehow
Like I got, sixteen to thirty-two bars to rock it
But only 15% of profits, ever see my pockets like
Sixty-nine billion in the last twenty years
Spent on national defense but folks still live in fear like
Nearly half of America's largest cities is one-quarter black
That's why they gave Ricky Ross all the crack
Sixteen ounces to a pound, twenty more to a ki
A five minute sentence hearing and you no longer free
40% of Americans own a cell phone
So they can hear, everything that you say when you ain't home
I guess, Michael Jackson was right, "You Are Not Alone"
Rock your hardhat black cause you in the Terrordome
Full of hard niggas, large niggas, dice tumblers
Young teens and prison greens facing life numbers
Crack mothers, crack babies and AIDS patients
Young bloods can't spell but they could rock you in PlayStation
This new math is whipping motherfuckers ass
You wanna know how to rhyme you better learn how to add
It's mathematics

Yo, it's one universal law but two sides to every story
Three strikes and you be in for life, manditory
Four MC's murdered in the last four years
I ain't trying to be the fifth one, the millennium is here
Yo it's 6 Million Ways to Die, from the seven deadly thrills
Eight-year olds getting found with 9 mill's
It's 10 P.M., where your seeds at? What's the deal
He on the hill puffin krill to keep they belly filled
Light in the ass with heavy steel, sights on the pretty shit in life
Young soldiers trying to earn they next stripe
When the average minimum wage is $5.15
You best believe you gotta find a new ground to get cream
The white unemployment rate, is nearly more than triple for black
So front liners got they gun in your back
Bubbling crack, jewel theft and robbery to combat poverty
And end up in the global jail economy
Stiffer stipulations attached to each sentence
Budget cutbacks but increased police presence
And even if you get out of prison still living
Join the other five million under state supervision
This is business, no faces just lines and statistics
From your phone, your zip code, to S-S-I digits
The system break man child and women into figures
Two columns for who is, and who ain't niggas
Numbers is hardly real and they never have feelings
But you push too hard, even numbers got limits
Why did one straw break the camel's back? Here's the secret:
The million other straws underneath it, it's all mathematics


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Old 05-30-2012, 08:58 AM   #52
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but I'm really passionate about hip-hop
Hahahahahahahaha oooooh, cobblepot
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jt, I'm never gonna get out of this hole. So I might as well keep digging
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can we please get back on topic? thanks.
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I thought we were on topic
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Old 05-30-2012, 01:03 PM   #56
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Rap music is almost uniformly misogynistic.
Aesop Rock
Big KRIT
Blu & Exile
Brother Ali
Cannibal Ox
cLOUDDEAD
Common
Company Flow
CunninLynguists
Dalek
De La Soul
Deltron 3030
Digable Planets
Edan
Eric B. & Rakim
Freestyle Fellowship
Fugees
Goodie Mob
Jurassic 5
K'naan
KRS-One
Kendrick Lamar
Lupe Fiasco
MF Doom
Main Source
Mos Def
Nujabes
Outkast
P.O.S.
The Pharcyde
Public Enemy
The Roots
Run-DMC
Talib Kweli
A Tribe Called Quest

You probably don't recognize most of these artists if you're making statements like that. I suggest you experience hip hop beyond that one Snoop Dogg track you flipped past on the radio.

Perhaps we can lock this until he does?
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Old 05-30-2012, 02:38 PM   #57
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Public Enemy? I was listening to Public Enemy when you were at kindergarten.
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It shouldn't surprise me that you haven't heard any hip hop since the mid-90s.
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Old 05-30-2012, 04:23 PM   #59
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Hey Lemel, he's heard one band out of the 30 you mentioned. He's legit. It also matters that he has been listening to that group for longer than you have. It adds to his legitimacy
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Old 05-30-2012, 04:33 PM   #60
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I have also heard of De La Soul, Eric B and Rakim, Mos Def, Outkast, Pharcyde, Fugees, The Roots, Run DMC, A Tribe Called Quest. Many of those, incidentally I would consider to be soul or funk-soul rather than rap.

Some of you seem to consider all music which happens to be made by black people = rap, which is an implicitly racist assumption, I'm afraid!
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