US Politics VI

[Headache in a Suitcase]

The FBI is not a political body.

The 4 main people under attack by the Trump organization... the so called "deep state"... are all Republicans. That's not stopping them from doing their jobs, even in the face of unrelenting and cowardly attacks by POTUS and the majority in the house.

And good opposition research is very much not partisan. Democrats and Republicans hire the same companies to do their research. They present their findings. This idea that they are all of a sudden slanted in one way or another is ridiculous. Fusion GPS would have eventually found out all of the things in the Dossier if they were still funded by conservatives after the convention.

Nunes is a disgrace.

 

[Nick66]

I don't believe anyone here said otherwise to any of that, so I assume you're more or less talking to the internet in general.

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Something something Nick will argue against anything something something

 

[DaveC]

i must say that following this thread today from a beach chair in mexico with a head full of acid has been equal parts fascinating and entertaining. thank you all.

 

[BVS]

I don't believe anyone here said otherwise to any of that, so I assume you're more or less talking to the internet in general.

Keep fighting the good fight Nick [emoji106]

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

i must say that following this thread today from a beach chair in mexico with a head full of acid has been equal parts fascinating and entertaining. thank you all.

Hey, it's a service I'm happy to provide

 

[Nick66]

Keep fighting the good fight Nick [emoji106]

Hey, it’s a service I’m happy to provide!

 

[BEAL]

So while the country and probably the world aren’t safer because of how stupid Trump and his team are

But imagine how much damage could have been done if they were so stupid.

Carter Page. Who would hire this guy?

 

[Irvine511]

They hired him because no one with any credibility was willing to work for Trump.

Everyone thought it was a stunt. Including the “candidate” himself. The Russians wanted to disrupt our elections, and fuck with Hillary because they hated her and Obama not least because of the sanctions, and who better than the man who launders money for them and who they have on video being peed on by sex workers? I even wonder if the birth certificate, which was how Trump inserted himself into the Obama years conversation, was the start of all this.

I think the scenario everyone was working under was to make HRC damaged goods as much as possible — she’d win, but by much less than anticipated, and the bots working the fringes would create more hate for her among the Jill Stein idiots. (My guess is she’s on the payroll too). The GOP would continue to self-immolate to the applause of their base — they had enough problems listening to a black guy, and now a woman?!?! — and the GOP would retain control of the houses and we’d have gridlock and a damaged president.

 

[digitize]

They hired him because no one with any credibility was willing to work for Trump.

Everyone thought it was a stunt. Including the “candidate” himself. The Russians wanted to disrupt our elections, and fuck with Hillary because they hated her and Obama not least because of the sanctions, and who better than the man who launders money for them and who they have on video being peed on by sex workers? I even wonder if the birth certificate, which was how Trump inserted himself into the Obama years conversation, was the start of all this.

I think the scenario everyone was working under was to make HRC damaged goods as much as possible — she’d win, but by much less than anticipated, and the bots working the fringes would create more hate for her among the Jill Stein idiots. (My guess is she’s on the payroll too). The GOP would continue to self-immolate to the applause of their base — they had enough problems listening to a black guy, and now a woman?!?! — and the GOP would retain control of the houses and we’d have gridlock and a damaged president.

While I like the elegance of this theory, and in some sense want it to be true because I loathe the Trump presidency, I do think we ought to be careful before asserting conspiracies that are based on information that is substantially less-than-verified.

 

[Irvine511]

While I like the elegance of this theory, and in some sense want it to be true because I loathe the Trump presidency, I do think we ought to be careful before asserting conspiracies that are based on information that is substantially less-than-verified.

We’re just chatting. I’m making no assertions beyond the fact that this feels correct. It’s also not so much a conspiracy as a logical chain of (possible, even likely) events — I don’t see any mastermind, just actions and reactions.

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

I'm fairly certain that Trump is at the very least heavily involved with criminals. It's pretty much public record.

 

[LuckyNumber7]

Trump steaks

 

[Nick66]

and the GOP would retain control of the houses and we’d have gridlock and a damaged president.

What do you think is going to happen in the 2018 mid terms?

 

[Irvine511]

What do you think is going to happen in the 2018 mid terms?

Unless something happens, we’ll see Democrats make significant gains in the house. Not sure how much, but the most recent elections in Louisiana and Virginia are a template for what I think will likely happen.

The Senate has a very, very bad map. 2020 is a different story.

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Trump steaks

Nah not his scam businesses. They are what they are... a con, but not necessarily illegal.

He has a long history both with the regular old American Italian mafia, and Russian mobsters and money launderers. It's not a secret, it's pretty wide open... we just aren't used to seeing it so blatantly with our presidential candidates so people just seem to think it's just a bunch of crap... but yea, it's fairly obvious and open.

 

[LuckyNumber7]

I was just making an arbitrary comment to subscribe.

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Dow continues to plummet

 

[Nick66]

Champagne corks are popping at the DNC!

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Free fall

 

[Danny Boy]

Free fall

I would be enjoying this more if my retirement wasn't tied up in the market.

Still, I'd love to see the herd turn on Annoying Orange if the Trump Bump was completely erased.

 

[BEAL]

Obama's fault

 

[Danny Boy]

So what do you call a leader who refers to people who don't applaud him as "treasonous?"

 

[corianderstem]

Donald Trump.

 

[Vlad n U 2]

Dipshit Donald.

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[Headache in a Suitcase]

Lolz they did share that the DNC helped fund the Dossier in the fisa warrant application after all.

Oh Devin Nunes, please don't ever stop being you.

 

[Nick66]

Did they share that the DNC specifically helped fund the dossier? Or just that it was partially funded by a political actor?

 

[Irvine511]

Trump pleads the 5th:

WASHINGTON — Lawyers for President Trump have advised him against sitting down for a wide-ranging interview with the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, according to four people briefed on the matter, raising the specter of a monthslong court battle over whether the president must answer questions under oath.

His lawyers are concerned that the president, who has a history of making false statements and contradicting himself, could be charged with lying to investigators. Their stance puts them at odds with Mr. Trump, who has said publicly and privately that he is eager to speak with Mr. Mueller as part of the investigation into possible ties between his associates and Russia’s election interference, and whether he obstructed justice.

Mr. Trump’s decision about whether to speak to prosecutors, expected in the coming weeks, will shape one of the most consequential moments of the investigation. Refusing to sit for an interview opens the possibility that Mr. Mueller will subpoena the president to testify before a grand jury, setting up a court fight that would drastically escalate the investigation and could be decided by the Supreme Court.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/05/us/politics/trump-lawyers-special-counsel-interview.html

 

[Moonlit_Angel]

His lawyers are concerned that the president, who has a history of making false statements and contradicting himself, could be charged with lying to investigators.

Nooooooo, really?

 

[Nick66]

Well, he hasn't done anything near pleading the 5th yet.

But If I were his lawyers, I wouldn't agree to sit down with the special counsel either. I'd maybe offer to answer written questions, and that's it.

And if they subpoenaed the President, I'd fight it all the way to the SCOTUS. And then if he lost, and had to talk, I'd tell him to plead the 5th. Which he'd be entitled to do.

In Trump's case, this is particularly important...there's no way he doesn't lie in any interview, even if he is actually trying to be truthful. As clever and smart as he thinks he is, he has no idea what an interview with a Federal Prosecutor will be like. They will make very, very short work of him.

There's no upside for him to talk to them, only downside.