Irvine511
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I think it’s more basic than that.
All the “moral values” talk is a smokescreen, and they know that.
All the “moral values” talk is a smokescreen, and they know that.
I think it’s more basic than that.
All the “moral values” talk is a smokescreen, and they know that.
I think something like 53% of white women voted for him (so gross and disappointing)
I'd be interested in knowing what the % of evangelical/fundie white women + rural, uneducated white women was within that 53%. My guess is a large bulk. These are women who either believe it is their Godly duty to follow their "headship" (husband) or just defer to their gun totin' racist man because they were raised in that environment.
So I went on a date with a lady who voted for Trump. She was a very nice person, super sweet. Single mother, manager at her workplace, and living in a nice house in North County / San Diego. So not trailer trash
Yeah, that's fair.
It makes me think of the story I read coming out of somewhere in either Virginia or North Carolina in 2008, when somebody canvassing their neighbourhood on behalf of the Obama campaign knocked on the door and your stereotypical white guy with an NRA sticker on the mailbox came out. The canvasser asked him if he had thought about who he was voting for and the guy said something to the effect of "I guess I'm voting for the N-word." I wonder what happened to that guy.
There’s just a huge portion of this population that can’t think. They’ve never opened an economics book, they know nothing of what’s happening outside side of their own borders, and they know nothing of other religions(in fact they know little of their own).
But the sexual assault, multiple wives -‘d children, the rape accusations, the fat shaming, the daughter-lust, the measuring of a woman’s value in terms of her fuckability — how did white women explain this to themselves?
This is a fundamental question that needs to be answered. We know people often vote against their own best interests out of ignorance to what their best interests are. But in this case the danger to that particular demographic was so transparent as to be totally baffling in why they would have voted Trump.
To add to others' anecdotes: the only woman I know to have voted for Trump is my partner's aunt. Her reasoning (if you want to call it that) was "we already had one guy waving his dick around in office (i.e. Bill Clinton), so what's another?" I still don't know what the hell that is supposed to mean.
Male dominance actually requires a pretty delicate balance, Glick said. If men want to maintain the control over women they’ve enjoyed for thousands of years, and continue their species, and satisfy their desires for heterosexual love and companionship, they can’t just use brute force. They need women to actually like them and not resent their dominance.
And so a compromise emerged — or at least a “protection racket,” as Glick calls it, like when the Mafioso tells the businessman he’d hate to see his nice shop burn down, so why don’t they make a deal.
The basic agreement is that as long as women cater to men’s needs, men will protect and cherish women in return. If women have few good options for independent success, this is a pretty good deal — which explains why in more overtly sexist societies where women have fewer opportunities, cross-national studies show that women endorse benevolent sexism at even higher rates than men do.
This may also help explain why Trump maintained high levels of support among white women voters who don’t have a college degree — a group Trump won 62 percent to 34, and a group whose career opportunities are probably more limited. Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton totally reversed 2012’s partisan gender gap among college-educated white women. (A demographic Clinton won by 51 to 45 percent, and Romney won 52 to 46 against Obama.)
But the most powerful gendered element of Trump’s campaign may actually lie in his fear-mongering.
“Trump's strategy was to ramp up anxiety about a dark, dangerous world,” Glick said. “When women are under threat, their benevolent sexism scores go up.”
Specifically, he said, showing women survey data about men’s hostile sexism makes women more likely to endorse benevolent sexism out of psychological self-defense. It may be ironic to turn to men for protection from male hostility, but it’s how the cycle works.
This also helps explain why so many women hold sexist biases against women, Glick said. If women themselves enforce gender norms and punish deviants, it reinforces the social order that guarantees them protection. And it separates them from the “bad” women who are deemed unworthy of that protection.
But that protection can still come with a cost, Glick said — which is also where sexist stereotypes about men factor in. The idea that men have to be providers and protectors, Glick said, goes hand in hand with the “boys will be boys” attitude that’s often used to excuse men’s bad behavior.
“Men are bad but bold. That’s the stereotype,” Glick said. “He’s not a very good protector if he can't beat up on other men.”
Glick said that Trump’s more positive masculine traits — boldness, change, willingness to defy tradition — may be seen as inextricably linked with his more negative ones, like his boorishness and cruelty. Trump may not be a nice guy, the thinking goes, and we may not like some of the things he says. But that just comes with the territory if you want a strong male leader.
https://www.vox.com/identities/2016...-president-sexual-assault-sexism-misogyny-won
If the goal is to prevent him from entering the White House, there was a best way to do that. It also would have sent a message that racism and sexual assault are, actually, bad things and should be the defining characteristics of the POTUS.
I know many Republicans — the country club/chamber of commerce type — who voted for HRC.
I also know many dipshits who felt that voting Johnson or Stein was somehow a noble act because they wanted to protest the two party system.
Because the two parties are exactly the same. Aren’t they.
We all see that now. Totally the same. The two parties. Can’t tell a difference.
Trump is a shit stain on the entire world.
Those who voted for him deserve no better. The rest of us, however, have to carry this fetid stench for who knows how long. We are all worse for having to live through this.
wow, you must sleep well knowing you have all the answers.
plenty of people who voted for Trump did so for very valid reasons, even if those of you who frequent this echo chamber will never acknowledge that.
evangelical/fundie white women+ rural, uneducated white women
Besides being a vote against Clinton, can you explain just one valid reason?
i don't think it's correct to say with such certainty that there was no valid reason whatsoever for anyone to vote for any particular candidate in a free and fair election.
plenty of people who voted for Trump did so for very valid reasons, even if those of you who frequent this echo chamber will never acknowledge that.
the real problem is the people who continue their willful blindness to the shitstorm that this administration has turned out to be.
but I do encourage people to perhaps consider a potential positive outcome. the Repub party is being forced to change because of the current and building attack from Trump's junkyard dogs. That's not a bad thing if it gets us closer to multi-party system, or gets the GOP to move closer to the center. Surely, the Dems moving even further left is not a good thing.
my aunt fits this description exactly, very wealthy, born-again Christian, husband a pentecostal pastor at one time, all about appearances - incredibly fake beautiful/glamorous, but ugly as hell inside and a complete and utter bitch to people her whole life - she told me she was a very strong supporter of "President Trump" and i have had nothing to do with her since - the hypocrisy is astounding - we are from a family of immigrants, but i guess as her side of the family are White European immigrants she doesn't give a shit or attempt to relate or understand - it's sickening
eta - i doubt she submitted to her husband as she is queen of their household and completely rules the roost - he is a meek and mild-mannered man and worships the ground she walks on, and she wasn't raised in a gun toting environment - she's just a rich, evangelical Republican of the very worst kind, with no scruples and anti-everything she can't see in her own fucking mirror - a lot of them are probably like that
My pressing issue at the moment
How do i get another date to share with FYM????
My pressing issue at the moment
How do i get another date to share with FYM????
of course, as far as i'm concerned you can ask anything here as long as you're willing to have an open mind in regards to the answers you get.
i've just seen it said here so many times that there was absolutely no legitimate reason whatsoever for anyone to vote for trump (or even any third party candidate) and that everyone who did so is morally bankrupt, as if there wasn't only two legitimate candidates to choose from. it's getting tiresome.
but i know you didn't say any of that. i thought you were going down this road with your line of questioning and if i jumped the gun, my bad.
White House Chief of Staff John Kelly lied on Thursday when he falsely claimed that Rep. Frederica Wilson, D-Fla., had loudly boasted about obtaining money for an FBI building in Miami during a dedication ceremony he attended in 2015.
As my colleague Shaun King writes, that Kelly said he was enraged by Wilson’s remarks as she made them...
Instead, she gave credit to politicians of both parties and went on to acknowledge the heroism of the agents who were killed in a shootout with two bank robbers. “Today, it is our patriotic duty to lift up Special Agent Benjamin Grogan and Special Agent Jerry Dove from the street in South Florida, and place their names and pictures high, where the world will know that we are proud of their sacrifice, their sacrifice for our nation,” Wilson said.
She also asked all of those in law enforcement and first responders present at the ceremony to stand for a round of applause. “Stand up now, so that we can applaud you and what you do,” Wilson said. “Stand up, we are proud of you, we’re proud of your courage. Thank you.”
Speaking in the White House briefing room a day earlier, Kelly made his false claim as part of an attack on Wilson’s character, after a broader lament about what he described as a collapse in moral values and insufficient respect for the military from American civilians.
Watch: Kelly laments how Gold Star families are no longer considered sacred after summer presidential conventions
“When I was a kid growing up, a lot of things were sacred in our country,” Kelly said...
Call me tainted by history, but yes, there are politicians/political parties for which there is no legitimate reason to give them their vote, whatsoever. Voting third party or write-in I have some level of sympathy for, thinking that they had the best of intentions, yet were incredibly naive.