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Old 03-25-2011, 05:46 AM   #1
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"Unfair" Persecution of the Intolerant

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GENEVA (Reuters) - People who criticise gay sexual relations for religious or moral reasons are increasingly being attacked and vilified for their views, a Vatican diplomat told the United Nations Human Rights Council on Tuesday.

Archbishop Silvano Tomasi said the Roman Catholic Church deeply believed that human sexuality was a gift reserved for married heterosexual couples. But those who express these views are faced with "a disturbing trend," he said.

"People are being attacked for taking positions that do not support sexual behaviour between people of the same sex," he told the current session of the Human Rights Council.

"When they express their moral beliefs or beliefs about human nature ... they are stigmatised, and worse -- they are vilified, and prosecuted.

"These attacks are violations of fundamental human rights and cannot be justified under any circumstances," Tomasi said.

The Catholic Church has clashed increasingly in recent years with governments over sexual equality legislation. In Britain, it had to close down adoption services because they refused to allow same-sex couples to adopt orphans in their care.

It has also opposed the growing acceptance of same-sex marriage in several countries in Europe and the Americas.

Tomasi also said the Vatican believed in the inherent dignity of all human beings and condemned all violence against people because of their sexual orientation or behaviour.

"But states can and must regulate behaviours, including various sexual behaviours," he said.

"Throughout the world, there is a consensus between societies that certain kinds of sexual behaviour must be forbidden by law. Paedophilia and incest are two examples."
Vatican tells U.N. that critics of gays under attack | World | Reuters

I wonder if the Archbishop believe that states should extend their regulation against paedophelia by charging and arresting all those clergy who have engaged and covered up abuse around the world. Perhaps it could be through a UN resolution.

I really think that we should push this stigmatisation until society changes and these wicked institutions collapse.
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Old 03-25-2011, 07:55 AM   #2
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Dangerous and ugly measures the Church is proposing. Part of the backlash they are experiencing is from both their overreach and their hypocrisy.

The Church does not hold exclusive right to moralize. They are entitled to their opinion. They should not expect to be immune from challenge. Those who vilify shouldn't be surprised when they vilify, particularly when they cover up the dirt in their own house rather than clean it.
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Old 03-26-2011, 11:54 AM   #3
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When natural resources are exhausted, none of this will matter.
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Old 03-26-2011, 12:11 PM   #4
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When natural resources are exhausted, none of this will matter.
a fairly pointless observation as presented
you could tack on this reply to every thread in interference.
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Exactly what I was thinking
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Old 03-26-2011, 12:38 PM   #6
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a fairly pointless observation as presented
you could tack on this reply to every thread in interference.
Oh sure, a pointless observation that offers an alternative view of why these scenarios keep happening in the world. Why do you think things like these still occur?

The lack of exposure to the diversity of the world, and the nature of people that don't know how to deal with each other cause social issues like the debate between homosexual marriage. When catastrophic things finally occur, like the exhaustion of the natural resources where neither race or sexual orientation are involved, people will then change their priorities to solve the problems that actually have some significance. Worrying about homosexual marriage and attacking its opponents is meaningless, there are far more other problems in the world that need our attention in order to be solved.
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Worrying about homosexual marriage and attacking its opponents is meaningless, there are far more other problems in the world that need our attention in order to be solved.

i agree about keeping issues in perspective and i will absolutely say that, yes, i am more concerned about tens of thousands being killed by a death wave in Japan than i am about gay people unable to get married in Montana, but i think i have more than enough energy and worry to be able to fret about a wide variety of issues and have reasonably developed opinions on all of them, the synthesis of which i then channel into a broader worldview and thus how i vote (and choose to spend my money).
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Old 03-26-2011, 04:11 PM   #8
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When something opposes our civil and constitutional rights I think some "worrying" is perfectly justifiable.
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Damn, I thought this thread was going to be about a totally different set of bigots.

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Oh well, as long as a religion is being skewered for it's bigotry and hypocrisy, it's all good.
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So did I understand this correctly...

the Catholic Church is trying to play victim?

Also, while incest is disgusting, who cares? It's not exactly a big issue.
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Old 03-26-2011, 06:38 PM   #11
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The Catholic Church should be consigned to the dustbin of history.
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The Vatican is not the only representation of the Catholic Church that should matter.
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People who criticise gay sexual relations for religious or moral reasons are increasingly being attacked and vilified for their views, a Vatican diplomat told the United Nations Human Rights Council on Tuesday.


I agree and applaud the Vatican diplomat for having the courage to say it.
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Hah, they're so victimized. Poor people, the Catholic Church is clearly oppressed by people who support homosexuality and freedom of sexual identity.

Say what you'd like about your views, but that's almost as stupid as complaining that somebody punched you, right after you just hit them first.
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People who criticise gay sexual relations for religious or moral reasons are increasingly being attacked and vilified for their views, a Vatican diplomat told the United Nations Human Rights Council on Tuesday.


I agree and applaud the Vatican diplomat for having the courage to say it.
What a load of horse manure.

Every single thing the Catholic Church believes is irrational psychobabble, and provably so.
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