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Old 01-10-2018, 01:27 PM   #1
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Unequal Pay

Unbelievable. Both actors represented by the same agency. Quite a pay discrepancy. Not to mention, as stated, that Sony calls Michelle Williams lead actress while Wahlberg is supporting.

Michelle Williams was doing the honorable thing, accepting very little for the reshoots necessitated by dropping Spacey. Would guess she never knew that Wahlberg made so much. He's also the most overpaid actor, as stated in this article. What he's paid vs his box office returns.

Also that situation with Cat Sadler on the E channel, making much less than her male cohost. She quit because of that. On the E Golden Globes red carpet show several actresses called them out for that. I think time should be up for unequal pay for equal work.

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Mark Wahlberg donated his 1.5 million to the Time's Up legal fund. In the name of Michelle Williams.
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What a stupid fiasco.

Apparently, neither actor was contractually required to return for reshoots. When Wahlberg was approached, he asked for 1.5 million and got it. Williams reportedly didn't make any such demands and agreed to do it basically for per diem. What she should have done is said "Sure, I'll come back, pay me what you're paying Wahlberg." Should the studio just paid her more to be nice? Again, why didn't she press for more? If she was needed for the reshoots, she had leverage. If she was just being a reasonable person and not holding the studio over a barrel, great. In fact she said as much...

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“When this idea was hatched — that we were gonna go in and try to rewrite history — I was on the frontline,” Williams explained. “I was like, ‘You can have my salary, you can just take it, I don’t even do it… that’s not why I work. If that’ll help you, you can have it, you can have my break and you can have whatever and I’ll just be there waiting.'”
And Wahlberg might have been an unreasonable SOB by demanding all that money. So? The problem, IMO, is they're both rep'd by the same agency. How do people, who are supposed to be representing her interests, allow this to happen? Sounds like a big fail on the part of her agent. Has nothing to do with Wahlberg though, or the patriarchy.

Wahlberg was the highest paid actor of 2017. He took a pay cut to take this gig. The film also is being marketed strongly overseas based on Wahlberg's name...and he's undoubtedly a bigger star (though I have no idea why, he's in a lot of flops). Williams is the stronger actor, IMO, but that's irrelevant. So is the fact that he's support and she's the lead. That's not how movie stars are paid. What does "equal" pay mean in Hollywood anyway? Does anyone think Daisey Ridley should have made more for The Force Awakens than Harrison Ford, even though she's the central character in the film? Is it "fair" that Jennifer Lawrence got paid 20 mil (plus points) for Passengers and Chris Pratt got paid 12 mil, even though he's in more of the movie? Isn't that "unequal"?

Female actors, all other things being equal, should not be paid less than their male peers simply because they're female. That's gender discrimination, flat out. But there are a LOT of intangibles on how these people are paid. So why is Wahlberg negotiating more money for himself, and now donating it? PR, that's it. He didn't do anything wrong. Nor did the studio as far as I can see. This is just another Twitter meltdown where people don't know all the facts and freak out.

That's not to say there's not a ton of sexism and gender discrimination in Hollywood, there certainly is, the place is rife with it. Actresses have been exploited, harassed and screwed over by Hollywood for way too long. I just think there are plenty of examples of all that better than this. This sounds to me like one performer negotiating a better deal than his co-star.
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Jennifer Lawrence got paid more than Chris Pratt because she's a bigger box office generator. Which isn't true for Wahlberg, according to the stats in the original article. Michelle Williams had no idea he was paid that much, that's how these things happen.

The most overpaid actor in Hollywood and a very respected actress, repped by the same agency. One has a vagina. I can do the math.

It's a microcosm of pay inequality in general. Pay inequality that still exists in 2018.
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What a stupid fiasco.

Apparently, neither actor was contractually required to return for reshoots. When Wahlberg was approached, he asked for 1.5 million and got it. Williams reportedly didn't make any such demands and agreed to do it basically for per diem. What she should have done is said "Sure, I'll come back, pay me what you're paying Wahlberg." Should the studio just paid her more to be nice? Again, why didn't she press for more? If she was needed for the reshoots, she had leverage. If she was just being a reasonable person and not holding the studio over a barrel, great. In fact she said as much...



And Wahlberg might have been an unreasonable SOB by demanding all that money. So? The problem, IMO, is they're both rep'd by the same agency. How do people, who are supposed to be representing her interests, allow this to happen? Sounds like a big fail on the part of her agent. Has nothing to do with Wahlberg though, or the patriarchy.

Wahlberg was the highest paid actor of 2017. He took a pay cut to take this gig. The film also is being marketed strongly overseas based on Wahlberg's name...and he's undoubtedly a bigger star (though I have no idea why, he's in a lot of flops). Williams is the stronger actor, IMO, but that's irrelevant. So is the fact that he's support and she's the lead. That's not how movie stars are paid. What does "equal" pay mean in Hollywood anyway? Does anyone think Daisey Ridley should have made more for The Force Awakens than Harrison Ford, even though she's the central character in the film? Is it "fair" that Jennifer Lawrence got paid 20 mil (plus points) for Passengers and Chris Pratt got paid 12 mil, even though he's in more of the movie? Isn't that "unequal"?

Female actors, all other things being equal, should not be paid less than their male peers simply because they're female. That's gender discrimination, flat out. But there are a LOT of intangibles on how these people are paid. So why is Wahlberg negotiating more money for himself, and now donating it? PR, that's it. He didn't do anything wrong. Nor did the studio as far as I can see. This is just another Twitter meltdown where people don't know all the facts and freak out.

That's not to say there's not a ton of sexism and gender discrimination in Hollywood, there certainly is, the place is rife with it. Actresses have been exploited, harassed and screwed over by Hollywood for way too long. I just think there are plenty of examples of all that better than this. This sounds to me like one performer negotiating a better deal than his co-star.
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Jennifer Lawrence got paid more than Chris Pratt because she's a bigger box office generator. Which isn't true for Wahlberg, according to the stats in the original article. .
Wahlberg is a much bigger box office generator than Michelle Williams.


Mark Wahlberg Movie Box Office Results


Michelle Williams Movie Box Office Results

Whether or not he's overpaid is a different argument, but his draw is definitely bigger than hers, 2.9 Billion to 816 million over their careers (domestic), average draw of 70Mil for Wahlberg Movies vs 28Mil for Williams' movies.

Obviously the style of movies has a lot to do with that, but to say Wahlberg is less of a box office generator than Williams is wrong.

The problem with this particular situation definitely lies with the agency that represents both of them
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Jennifer Lawrence got paid more than Chris Pratt because she's a bigger box office generator. Which isn't true for Wahlberg, according to the stats in the original article. Michelle Williams had no idea he was paid that much, that's how these things happen.

The most overpaid actor in Hollywood and a very respected actress, repped by the same agency. One has a vagina. I can do the math.

It's a microcosm of pay inequality in general. Pay inequality that still exists in 2018.
You might want to check your math. Actually, Pratt and Lawrence are a lot closer in box office than Wahlberg and Williams (who aren't close at all).

Jennifer Lawrence: Lifetime Gross Total: $2,486,696,187 (Domestic)
Chris Pratt: $2,083,204,577 (Domestic)

And Pratt's average is actually higher than Lawrence's...approx 138 mil vs. 130 mil.

I'm not suggesting Pratt should have made as much as Lawrence...again, there are other factors at play here. As there was with the Williams case. She's not nearly as big a star as Wahlberg, that's just a fact. How respected she is, or how good of an actress she is, has little to do with it (if it did, Meryl Streep would be the highest paid actress, and she's not by far). And Wahlberg has been in a lot of "blockbusters"...he has much more international name recognition.

But the facts don't support your suggestion that she got paid less because she "has a vagina". That's absurd. As I said previously, that happens in Hollywood, much more than it should. But this just isn't a good example of it. As I and other have said, it's her agency who failed her in this case.
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Not really.
i'm just going to start reporting these posts from you that serve no other purpose than to be a condescending asshole.

edit: lol nice edit, good thing i got it quoted for when diemen comes to check out the report i sent him. for the record, the entire post was nick quoting only mrsspringsteen's "i can do the math" and replying with this pretentious douchery above before editing it into an actual post.
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And the argument the article cites about Wahlberg being overpaid is a bit flawed as well (and quite typical of the Boston Globe/Boston.com to not tell the complete story).
Foreign box office needs to be taken into account as well. And the last 2 Transformers movies which starred Wahlberg made huge money outside the US, including 320 Mil and 228 Mil in China alone. Now of course Wahlberg is by no means the main draw there, but he was top billed in both films and they made a fortune overseas.


Edit...and I just noticed this gem from the article that names Wahlberg the most overpaid actor of 2017:

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To create this ranking, Forbes looked at the last one to three films that actors released prior to June 1, 2017, excluding animated movies, projects in which actors had small roles, and releases shown on fewer than 2,000 screens. For Wahlberg, Forbes included Patriots Day (which earned $50.5 million at the box office) and Deepwater Horizon (which brought in $121.8 million). The cutoff date ruled out Transformers: The Last Knight and Daddy’s Home 2.
So just leave off the 2 films that made the most in his year including one that earned over 600 Million worldwide. That's damn fine reporting. Not sure when the calendar started declaring June 1 as year's end.
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didn't Harrison Ford get paid a lot more than Mark Hamill in the later Star Wars? and wasn't it the other way round initially?

again, why base such important discussions on the alien bubble that is Hollywood? wouldn't it be more interesting and pertinent to look at unequal pay in normal life, like, for the masses? would be interesting to hear personal experiences on this...

in my early experience as a graduate salaried worker, i was paid the same as my male colleagues doing the same job... wages should be based on skills for the job, and not gender... we have the minimum wage here in France, which is thankfully the same for men and women
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i'm just going to start reporting these posts from you that serve no other purpose than to be a condescending asshole.
That's OK...you can post one of your funny memes and get slammed again like last time.
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That's OK...you can post one of your funny memes and get slammed again like last time.
i have no idea what you're even talking about. when have i ever been one to post "funny memes" here?
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It's all about self-awareness.

And now, if you don't mind, I'll bow out of this. No desire to be accused to continuing an argument. You just report away.
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It's all about self-awareness.

And now, if you don't mind, I'll bow out of this. No desire to be accused to continuing an argument. You just report away.
nice to know that you'll just make shit up about people and then smugly walk away when challenged on it. that's some fine strawmannery

i really wish you had stayed the hell out of FYM and not proceeded to destroy the respect i previously had for you, but i guess that ship has sailed.
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didn't Harrison Ford get paid a lot more than Mark Hamill in the later Star Wars? and wasn't it the other way round initially?

again, why base such important discussions on the alien bubble that is Hollywood? wouldn't it be more interesting and pertinent to look at unequal pay in normal life, like, for the masses? would be interesting to hear personal experiences on this...

in my early experience as a graduate salaried worker, i was paid the same as my male colleagues doing the same job... wages should be based on skills for the job, and not gender... we have the minimum wage here in France, which is thankfully the same for men and women
Ford got paid something like 20 mil for the last Star Wars film he was in, and I believe Hammill got one million. Daisy Ridley got 200,000 I believe, even though she's the main character in the movie. Ford got that bank for obvious reasons.

And you're right, Hollywood is about the worst barometer we can use for all this stuff. There's little to nothing representative about it.
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