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Old 12-23-2009, 06:06 AM   #16
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If you don't mind my asking, why are you so interested in this? See, I know there isn't any god in a meaningful theist interventionist sense, and I know there isn't an afterlife. And I'm pretty much comfortable with that. But I partially know these things by instinct as much - probably more so -than by logic and analysis. So, I guess I'm somewhat intrigued by why you seem to spend a lot of time thinking about this stuff. Speaking as an atheist, some aspects of religious belief, such as early Christian heresies, are quite interesting to me - but only in the sense of understanding human psychology.
I'd agree with being a comfortable non-believer, God strikes me as a peculiar human cultural invention that has no impact on how I live my life or make sense of the world.

I do think that supernaturalism is worth argument and I make no apologies for frequently arguing the point here. Admittedly arguing against first cause deists isn't picking on the easier targets, but I felt it was worth arguing; saying that God got the ball rolling is unjustifiable, and I think agnosticism holding out for a naturalistic explanation is a better position.
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Old 12-23-2009, 10:19 PM   #17
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A mind expanding talk on cosmology by Lawrence Krauss

YouTube - 'A Universe From Nothing' by Lawrence Krauss, AAI 2009
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Old 12-23-2009, 11:50 PM   #18
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Thanks for posting that AWanderer. I'll check it out some time during the holidays. Maybe we can change the name of this thread and just make it a place to post interesting science related videos?
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Fantastic, thanks for sharing!
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Old 12-27-2009, 06:00 PM   #20
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I'd agree with being a comfortable non-believer, God strikes me as a peculiar human cultural invention that has no impact on how I live my life or make sense of the world.

I do think that supernaturalism is worth argument and I make no apologies for frequently arguing the point here. Admittedly arguing against first cause deists isn't picking on the easier targets, but I felt it was worth arguing; saying that God got the ball rolling is unjustifiable, and I think agnosticism holding out for a naturalistic explanation is a better position.
Agreed, but it is entirely possible for an atheist to take the best parts of the various religions, and discard the rest - indeed, I try to do so. And in my view the best part of Christianity, for example, is the idea of grace. I've seen it in myself, and I've seen it in my friends, even though most of us are 'bad', and not 'good'. There are also 'good' parts with Buddhism and Judaism, in my view. (I will refrain from being rude about Islam, as I haven't discovered anything good in that religion.)

I suppose my point is the knowledge that there is no creator deity in any sense that's meaningful, or the knowlege that there is no afterlife, doesn't particularly make us 'better' than the common herd in and of itself.
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AWanderer, I watched your Lawrence Krauss video. Amazing. Thanks again for posting it. Though its almost one of the more philosophical things he mentioned, I found his comments toward the end of the talk regarding scientist of the future coming to incorrect conclusions due to the accelerating expansion to be particularly interesting. I had never heard that before. Anyway, keep the videos coming. I'll do the same if I come across anything of interest
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