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So, I'm assuming you think the Christians and religion really messed up America. Please post another country or civilization that has given its citizens more freedoms. |
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Come to think of it, if you're trying to correlate Christian nations with freedom, those that actually were Christian nations (as in, Christianity was the national religion) granted far less freedoms than our Democratic nation. |
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A little something called democracy?
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those are personal life style choices. Vegetarianism, Veganism are personal life style choices. I don't believe laws should be put into place to support or encourage life style choices. To protect a person's right to choose them or not, may be a different situation. |
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If you go back and really look at it, the few early settlers you are thinking of were really not what would be considered 'main stream' Christians.
They would be more like odd ball cultists. The larger respectable Christian groups had no use for these fringe sects. |
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The larger repectable Christian groups, you refer to, were the ones repressing religious and personal freedoms in Europe. It was the "fringe sects" that broke out and brought us this freedom we enjoy today. |
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Come on, take off your blinders. The American Revolution was about economics. period There was no real charity, christian decency driving it. It was only economics. The English had made agreements with the Natives about not expanding into more of their land. The English had what they wanted, colonies on the coast with ports for trading. The colonists wanted more free land for the stealing. If these settlers had good Christian values motivating them, instead of personal economics, then why did they not abolish slavery? and respect their fellow man "created in the image of God" the natives? Simple answer, economics, greed, breaking the commandment of 'not coveting the neighbor's property". People tend to do what is in their best (most profitable) interests. |
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I guess we can start with this: "The American Revolution was about economics. period" What facts do you have to support that statement? Not trying to be picky here, but that is a strong defintive answer you gave. |
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here is a decent start,
it does mention the part about the English having treaties with the Natives that the Colonists wanted to abolish so they could steal their land. this isn't mentioned very much in American Schools, put in a book, and it might get banned? American Revolution - Causes of the American Revolution |
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I don't dislike the 'founding fathers' there are some very good people mixed in there, the documents they came up with are pretty good. I just don't want to sugar coat it and create myths. It is not necessary. The more accurate story is better than the myths and exaggerations. |
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jesus, why the hostility
Ironhorse seems to be a decent, caring person that seems to believe that America is founded on Judeo Christian values, that belief is held by a very large portion of Americans, I was taught that, I guess I used to buy into it. After doing my own independent investigations, I no longer believe that. I meet and work with people that still hold that belief. I hope I would never be rude to them for not thinking the same way that I do. |
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