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Old 10-16-2008, 01:37 PM   #121
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Yawn?

Hey was Larry just as hot when you knew him?
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Old 10-16-2008, 01:55 PM   #122
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Oh my fucking god, Diamond. You're hilarious

I have the beginnings of the flu, and I really needed this laugh today, so thanks.


So we're to believe that just because you're old and were a Jesus-loving-U2-fan back in the day, (and you've pretty much implied that those of us not old enough to have been a fan back in 1980 have no right to any kind of opinion, oops) that you know firsthand the ins-and-outs of how U2 felt politically back then?

That's absurd, and you have absolutely no evidence to back it up, aside from your holier-than-thou 'I was there' opinions. Find some actual evidence to back up your claims, or stop spewing them. You only succeed in making yourself look like an ass (albeit a hilarious one, it's always fun to laugh at you.)

Being religious, and even being involved in a fundamental evangelical group does not necessarily make one politically conservative. I speak from experience. I've been where U2 probably were in the early 80s. Maybe they were just young and naive and liked the fellowship and worship and studies of Shalom, without necessarily tying themselves into ALL of the conservative beliefs of such a religious group. They've already made it clear (and yes, there is actual evidence, straight from the mouths of the band to back this up) that they left because of the legalism and religiosity.
Been there, done that. Through my years in just such a church group, I never stopped believing in gay rights or a woman's choice to have an abortion, or really any of my former liberal beliefs. And in the end, it was sitting in church and hearing about how gay people were going to go to hell that drove me away.
I no longer consider myself a Christian, but I am a believer, and even now, in the trenches of heathen behaviour, I still like the Bible and am appeciative and observant of the religious references in U2's music. Using Biblical references in their songs as evidence of their supposed religious conservativeness is a very weak argument, Diamond.

It's possible that if they had liberal political beliefs in the 70s (and evidence does suggest that they do) that they held on to it, even in the deepest part of their Shalom involvement. Obviously I don't have any evidence to that, but nor do you have any evidence of your claims.

Not everything is as black and white as you might like it to be.
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Old 10-16-2008, 03:55 PM   #124
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Before complaining about the speck...

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Give it up.
I'm not the one making wild assumptions with little basis in fact.

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So, my liberal friends you cannot rewrite history on this one; I was there-you were not.
You were there. Right.

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They had Bible studies everyday, struggled with social issues and were more socially conservative before they became famous
No one is disputing that they were generally more conservative in their youth. However, you have absolutely NO evidence that they were not pro-gay or were anti-gay at that time. None.
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oops. thought out loud.
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No one is disputing that they were generally more conservative in their youth. QUOTE]


yes apparently some are, but you got it right.


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so even if diamond is right, it seems that U2 have grown and matured over the years and gotten smarter.

and, thus, more liberal.
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so even if diamond is right, it seems that U2 have grown and matured over the years and gotten smarter.
Glad to hear that some people who were "there" have.
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worldly does not mean smarter.

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but it means that one has a greater grasp on truth.
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This is the stupidest fucking thread on the site.

Why do you all continue to indulge this clown? I don't get it.
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but it means that one has a greater grasp on truth.

John 15:19--If ye were of the world, the world would love his own; but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

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^me neither... I admit to gettin roped in..ugh. (referring to NSW's post)
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Why do you all continue to indulge this clown? I don't get it.
NSW wins. Again.

I wish I could express how stupid Diamond's statements are in a parody, but it would end up like Tina Fey being Sarah Palin: just repeating the same thing he said already, because it's already as funny as possible in its originality.
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