MrsSpringsteen
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Hey was Larry just as hot when you knew him?
Hey was Larry just as hot when you knew him?
U2 IS a conseravative band!
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DreamOutLoud13
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Oh my fucking god, Diamond. You're hilarious 
I have the beginnings of the flu, and I really needed this laugh today, so thanks.
So we're to believe that just because you're old and were a Jesus-loving-U2-fan back in the day, (and you've pretty much implied that those of us not old enough to have been a fan back in 1980 have no right to any kind of opinion, oops) that you know firsthand the ins-and-outs of how U2 felt politically back then?
That's absurd, and you have absolutely no evidence to back it up, aside from your holier-than-thou 'I was there' opinions. Find some actual evidence to back up your claims, or stop spewing them. You only succeed in making yourself look like an ass (albeit a hilarious one, it's always fun to laugh at you.)
Being religious, and even being involved in a fundamental evangelical group does not necessarily make one politically conservative. I speak from experience. I've been where U2 probably were in the early 80s. Maybe they were just young and naive and liked the fellowship and worship and studies of Shalom, without necessarily tying themselves into ALL of the conservative beliefs of such a religious group. They've already made it clear (and yes, there is actual evidence, straight from the mouths of the band to back this up) that they left because of the legalism and religiosity.
Been there, done that. Through my years in just such a church group, I never stopped believing in gay rights or a woman's choice to have an abortion, or really any of my former liberal beliefs. And in the end, it was sitting in church and hearing about how gay people were going to go to hell that drove me away.
I no longer consider myself a Christian, but I am a believer, and even now, in the trenches of heathen behaviour, I still like the Bible and am appeciative and observant of the religious references in U2's music. Using Biblical references in their songs as evidence of their supposed religious conservativeness is a very weak argument, Diamond.
It's possible that if they had liberal political beliefs in the 70s (and evidence does suggest that they do) that they held on to it, even in the deepest part of their Shalom involvement. Obviously I don't have any evidence to that, but nor do you have any evidence of your claims.
Not everything is as black and white as you might like it to be.
I have the beginnings of the flu, and I really needed this laugh today, so thanks.
So we're to believe that just because you're old and were a Jesus-loving-U2-fan back in the day, (and you've pretty much implied that those of us not old enough to have been a fan back in 1980 have no right to any kind of opinion, oops) that you know firsthand the ins-and-outs of how U2 felt politically back then?
That's absurd, and you have absolutely no evidence to back it up, aside from your holier-than-thou 'I was there' opinions. Find some actual evidence to back up your claims, or stop spewing them. You only succeed in making yourself look like an ass (albeit a hilarious one, it's always fun to laugh at you.)
Being religious, and even being involved in a fundamental evangelical group does not necessarily make one politically conservative. I speak from experience. I've been where U2 probably were in the early 80s. Maybe they were just young and naive and liked the fellowship and worship and studies of Shalom, without necessarily tying themselves into ALL of the conservative beliefs of such a religious group. They've already made it clear (and yes, there is actual evidence, straight from the mouths of the band to back this up) that they left because of the legalism and religiosity.
Been there, done that. Through my years in just such a church group, I never stopped believing in gay rights or a woman's choice to have an abortion, or really any of my former liberal beliefs. And in the end, it was sitting in church and hearing about how gay people were going to go to hell that drove me away.
I no longer consider myself a Christian, but I am a believer, and even now, in the trenches of heathen behaviour, I still like the Bible and am appeciative and observant of the religious references in U2's music. Using Biblical references in their songs as evidence of their supposed religious conservativeness is a very weak argument, Diamond.
It's possible that if they had liberal political beliefs in the 70s (and evidence does suggest that they do) that they held on to it, even in the deepest part of their Shalom involvement. Obviously I don't have any evidence to that, but nor do you have any evidence of your claims.
Not everything is as black and white as you might like it to be.
Before complaining about the speck...
I'm not the one making wild assumptions with little basis in fact.
You were there. Right.
No one is disputing that they were generally more conservative in their youth. However, you have absolutely NO evidence that they were not pro-gay or were anti-gay at that time. None.
I'm not the one making wild assumptions with little basis in fact.
You were there. Right.No one is disputing that they were generally more conservative in their youth. However, you have absolutely NO evidence that they were not pro-gay or were anti-gay at that time. None.
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Irvine511
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so even if diamond is right, it seems that U2 have grown and matured over the years and gotten smarter.
and, thus, more liberal.
and, thus, more liberal.
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worldly does not mean smarter.
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Irvine511
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This is the stupidest fucking thread on the site.
Why do you all continue to indulge this clown? I don't get it.
Why do you all continue to indulge this clown? I don't get it.
diamond
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John 15:19--If ye were of the world, the world would love his own; but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
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John 15:19--If ye were of the world, the world would love his own; but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
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U2Fanatic4ever
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^me neither... I admit to gettin roped in..ugh. (referring to NSW's post)
(referring to NSW's post)phillyfan26
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NSW wins. Again.
I wish I could express how stupid Diamond's statements are in a parody, but it would end up like Tina Fey being Sarah Palin: just repeating the same thing he said already, because it's already as funny as possible in its originality.
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yolland
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Well alrighty then.
financeguy
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U2's politics
This is not a trolling thread, there is something I wanted to point out.
U2 have never endorsed any political party or candidate in Ireland and there are good reasons for this. The only potential exception to this I can think of is back in the mid '80's when Bono said a few complimentary things about the then Irish Prime Minister Garret Fitzgerald, but even then he didn't specifically advocate a vote for Fitzgerald's party. Actually, now that I think of it, there is one other possible exception, but it's in the negative sense of disagreement rather than endorsement, where Bono condemned various activities of Sinn Fein/IRA in the 1980's, but Sinn Fein of 2008 are a lot different to Sinn Fein of 1987.
I think there are good reasons why U2 individually and collectively do not endorse political parties, especially in Ireland. In a small country, if you are a famous person and you endorse a political party, you will get labelled, and the labels will stick.
So, for the likes of Bono, let's say for the sake of argument he publicly endorsed the Labour party - well, think of what would happen. Every time he walked into a pub, it would be "Ah there's Bono - the Labour man. The big champagne socialist leftie hypocrite", etc, etc.
And of course, similar things would happen if Bono - or any other member of
U2 - endorsed one of the middle-of-the-road, largely conservative parties. ("There goes Bono. The right wing FF (Fianna Fail) supporter. Just typical of these wealthy rock star bolloxes to support conservative parties. They will always support the status quo.", etc, etc)
It's entirely possible that all members of U2 are quiet, non-public, supporters of any given party, it's also possible that they all vote and support different parties, and of course, it's entirely possible that none of them have any particular interest in politics, at least in the party political sense.
I would suspect that they are fairly mainstream in their politics, for what it's worth, but I really have no idea. I would suspect that Bono, Edge and Adam are somewhat left of centre, and Larry is somewhat right of centre on some issues, though left of centre on others - but, again, that is mere speculation.
I would criticize U2 for a lot, but I would credit them with the wit and intelligence to avoid the temptation to allow themselves to be pigeon holed on politics. They may arguably have made this mistake in the '80's, and I think they learned from it.
Just thought it was worth pointing this out.
This is not a trolling thread, there is something I wanted to point out.
U2 have never endorsed any political party or candidate in Ireland and there are good reasons for this. The only potential exception to this I can think of is back in the mid '80's when Bono said a few complimentary things about the then Irish Prime Minister Garret Fitzgerald, but even then he didn't specifically advocate a vote for Fitzgerald's party. Actually, now that I think of it, there is one other possible exception, but it's in the negative sense of disagreement rather than endorsement, where Bono condemned various activities of Sinn Fein/IRA in the 1980's, but Sinn Fein of 2008 are a lot different to Sinn Fein of 1987.
I think there are good reasons why U2 individually and collectively do not endorse political parties, especially in Ireland. In a small country, if you are a famous person and you endorse a political party, you will get labelled, and the labels will stick.
So, for the likes of Bono, let's say for the sake of argument he publicly endorsed the Labour party - well, think of what would happen. Every time he walked into a pub, it would be "Ah there's Bono - the Labour man. The big champagne socialist leftie hypocrite", etc, etc.
And of course, similar things would happen if Bono - or any other member of
U2 - endorsed one of the middle-of-the-road, largely conservative parties. ("There goes Bono. The right wing FF (Fianna Fail) supporter. Just typical of these wealthy rock star bolloxes to support conservative parties. They will always support the status quo.", etc, etc)
It's entirely possible that all members of U2 are quiet, non-public, supporters of any given party, it's also possible that they all vote and support different parties, and of course, it's entirely possible that none of them have any particular interest in politics, at least in the party political sense.
I would suspect that they are fairly mainstream in their politics, for what it's worth, but I really have no idea. I would suspect that Bono, Edge and Adam are somewhat left of centre, and Larry is somewhat right of centre on some issues, though left of centre on others - but, again, that is mere speculation.
I would criticize U2 for a lot, but I would credit them with the wit and intelligence to avoid the temptation to allow themselves to be pigeon holed on politics. They may arguably have made this mistake in the '80's, and I think they learned from it.
Just thought it was worth pointing this out.
diamond
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If U2 lived in the US, they would prolly be in the Green Party or Independent Party.
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Vincent Vega
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From their actions, associations, affiliations etc. I would say if there were to be voting in Germany their vote would most probably go to the Greens either.
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fg, I appreciate your desire to offer a constructive comment on the topic, but this is still a spinoff thread and I'd really rather not reopen this discussion.
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