you're joking, right? you do realise how many people have cable or satellite tv these days as well as the overwhelming majority of people (in various polls) who say they get their news from fox news instead of abc, nbc, cbs, npr, etc.
U S Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, a Democrat, shot at public appearance!!
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dazzledbylight
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Randi Rhoads sometimes uses strong language, but i don't remember her using violent language, or intimating violence to be used against President GW Bush.
dazzledbylight
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and on a different note we in the USA could learn a thing or two from the Scandinavians.
ANd try to get it that certain forms of Socialism do not equal Authoriarian Totalitarianism, or Stalinist Communism etc
antiram-you grew up in the old USSR? wow.
I don't know where you grew up there..but during the awful Cold War years..if you were in Moscow, Leningrad .... did you all have to do Air Raid siren drills?
I line in NYC and can't remember whether it was once a month or even more often the sirens go off.
Awful, terrifying stuff! Hearing them all over the city!
ANd I remmeber ( cept I don't remember when i guess n the last 80's) I noticed we didn't hear the sirens any more! it wasn't like there was an "annoucement" > "we are no longer going to test the Emergency Sirens" .
ANd try to get it that certain forms of Socialism do not equal Authoriarian Totalitarianism, or Stalinist Communism etc
antiram-you grew up in the old USSR? wow.
I don't know where you grew up there..but during the awful Cold War years..if you were in Moscow, Leningrad .... did you all have to do Air Raid siren drills?
I line in NYC and can't remember whether it was once a month or even more often the sirens go off.
Awful, terrifying stuff! Hearing them all over the city!
ANd I remmeber ( cept I don't remember when i guess n the last 80's) I noticed we didn't hear the sirens any more! it wasn't like there was an "annoucement" > "we are no longer going to test the Emergency Sirens" .
Scientology seems fairly unique among religions by copyrighting its text and trying to prevent dissemination of its own materials.
Now we have become familiar with well, this. From recent articles connecting some of Lougher's views to the writings of David Wynn Miller who has very....particular ideas on grammar:
I see this and think of evolution. Instead of evangelicals of any interest trying to one-up another to have the most persuasive and cogent rhetoric, we have this dead end. If only no one would ever have been given reason to know who he is. My eyeballs hate this man.
Now we have become familiar with well, this. From recent articles connecting some of Lougher's views to the writings of David Wynn Miller who has very....particular ideas on grammar:
I see this and think of evolution. Instead of evangelicals of any interest trying to one-up another to have the most persuasive and cogent rhetoric, we have this dead end. If only no one would ever have been given reason to know who he is. My eyeballs hate this man.
Moonlit_Angel
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Ummmmmmm...say what now?
Hey, there's a novel idea. News networks should try this sometime. Hell, everyone should try this.
I'm just going to leave this snippet from today's "Daily Show" here. Once again, a comedian sounds more sane than the supposed professionals he's supposed to be mocking:
Arizona Shootings Reaction - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 01/10/11 - Video Clip | Comedy Central
Angela
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This whole thing is just tragic. Tragic for the victims, tragic for the shooter (who was mentally disturbed, and belonged in a psych ward), just completely tragic.
BVS
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Jon Stewart nails it again 
It's sad that a comedian does it better than everyone else in the media.
Maybe the solution is get rid of all politicians and let the comedians run the show for awhile
It's sad that a comedian does it better than everyone else in the media.
Maybe the solution is get rid of all politicians and let the comedians run the show for awhile
I grew up in one of the other Eastern Euro countries. We did have to do Air Raid siren drills - the elementary school I went to had its own bunker and we'd practice going down there many times. I remember really long, narrow dark concrete halls with army-style bunks on either side, just rows and rows of them.
2861U2
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Some of the greatest hits from her and other left-wing radio:
Referencing President Bush in a Godfather-esque scenario, "Like Fredo, somebody ought to take him out fishing and *imitating gunshot fire*" - Randi Rhodes
"A spoiled child is telling us our Social Security isn't safe anymore, so he is going to fix it for us. Well here's your answer your ungrateful whelp: *sound of gunfire* Just try it, you little bastard *sound of gun being cocked*" - Randi Rhodes
"Drudge? Somebody ought to wrap a strong Republican entrail around his neck and hoist him up about six feet in the air and watch him bounce." - Mike Malloy
"Fuck God-Damned Joe the God-Damned Motherfucking Plumber! I want Joe the Motherfucking Plumber dead!" - Charles Karol Bouley
"And you have no idea, in my bones, in my very soul! In my heart! I want to kick Fox's ass! I want to drive them into the ground! I want to spike the ball! I want to kick 'em in the teeth on the way back to the huddle! And then I want to turn around and lift my leg on 'em! Because that's all they're worth!" -Ed Schultz
Charming, no? Anyone believing this doesn't exist on the left is only fooling themselves.
AchtungBono
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*starts rant*
I have always said that the second amendment MUST be revoked and modified. NO ONE outside of law enforcement and the military ...should be allowed to carry a gun. I believe we wouldn't even be talking about this case if congress would get off their asses and do your country a service.
Prohibition was instated as a good thing - which turned out to be a bad thing because it gave birth to the gangster era and organized crime thrived during those years. Congress finally repealed it for the good of the nation - why can't they do the same with the stupid second amendment which has cost hundreds of millions of lives in the 200 or so years since it's inception?
Something to think about....before the next 10 year old boy kills his mother.
*rant over*
Thanks for letting me vent.......
I have always said that the second amendment MUST be revoked and modified. NO ONE outside of law enforcement and the military ...should be allowed to carry a gun. I believe we wouldn't even be talking about this case if congress would get off their asses and do your country a service.
Prohibition was instated as a good thing - which turned out to be a bad thing because it gave birth to the gangster era and organized crime thrived during those years. Congress finally repealed it for the good of the nation - why can't they do the same with the stupid second amendment which has cost hundreds of millions of lives in the 200 or so years since it's inception?
Something to think about....before the next 10 year old boy kills his mother.
*rant over*
Thanks for letting me vent.......
BVS
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I've never heard of Randi Rhodes, all this time I thought you were talking about Ozzy's guitarist.
She's a shock jock, nothing more, nothing less. Big difference between her and Glenn or her Rush.
Does it exist on the left? Sure. Does it exist in the mainstream? Not nearly as much...
But it needs to disappear from all sides.
She's a shock jock, nothing more, nothing less. Big difference between her and Glenn or her Rush.
Does it exist on the left? Sure. Does it exist in the mainstream? Not nearly as much...
But it needs to disappear from all sides.
Irvine511
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why don't you go back and actually listen to that interview and then tell me about it. it was a play on the cliche "kill two birds with one stone" in the context of an interview with Bill Maher. it was understood as a joke then by EVERYONE not just me, and it actually NEVER MADE THE NEWS because it was a joke.
as opposed to Palin and her gunsights and "retreat/reload" language which has been commented on EXTENSIVELY both now and AT THE TIME as well as by CONGRESSPERSON GIFFORDS HERSELF.
Irvine511
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most Americans have no idea who these people are. none of them were elected to anything.
EVERYONE knows who Sarah Palin is.
U2Fanatic4ever
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2861U2
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Yes, I'm fully aware it was in the "context" of the "two birds" expression. If you want context, you need to realize that this was said at the height of Bush's unpopularity, and with one month until the Democrats were poised to make huge gains in the midterms (which, don't be naive, could very well be why this wasn't mentioned in the media). Kerry's not the brightest crayon in the box, so it's hard to know if he even knew what he was saying and the repercussions it could have in such the anti-Bush environment. Regardless, again, it was reckless.
That's not what was being discussed.
I was simply responding to dazzledbylight being unaware of violent threats against conservatives coming from Rhodes and other talkers. But if you want to play the "these people are unknown" card, then you need to stop suggesting Rush Limbaugh is dangerous, too, as roughly 96% of the American population never listen to him. Back to the larger issue, if people insist on placing blame outside of the perpetrator himself, they need to look much less so at politics and much more so at violent video games, violent tv shows, movies, and violent music. It's true that this guy had a longstanding beef with Giffords, but on the whole, these things are much more likely to set off someone who is mentally unstable than is seeing an image on Palin's website. As evidenced by the motives behind Columbine, among other tragedies, these forms of entertainment are a much larger scar on American society than Sarah Palin is.
purpleoscar
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The problem with your second question is answered by your answer to the first question. You don't like it when the Democrats overblow things but the conservatives won't stop being outraged by the the instigation in the first place.
The reasons for tax cuts for the corporations and the rich is because they hire people. Increasing their tax load slows growth which slows gains in employment. I agree that the conservatives now have to show they are willing to look at cuts in military and across the board and some are showing that conviction now. I'll hammer them (including the tea party) when they fail at doing so. The U.S. can't afford to go bankrupt because who will bail them out? China?
I've already stated that since MSM, academia and art is full of left-wing bias I don't find talk radio, fox news and internet conservative magazines as an over response at all. This is where we would agree to disagree because you probably find MSM an example of good sources.
The last I checked some years ago ABC, NBC, and CBS have greater ratings than any of the Cable stations and Fox News was beating CNN. I actually hope you're right.
This is how I view the dream of the left:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtH7lqwI2oA
And the conservative response:
http://spiritleveldelusion.blogspot.com/
Jon Stewart nails it again
It's sad that a comedian does it better than everyone else in the media.
Maybe the solution is get rid of all politicians and let the comedians run the show for awhile
Oh God it's hard to resist.
Irvine511
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reckless? really?
i'll just let you continue because you're embodying the defensive posture of the right wing so well right now that your posts are speaking for themselves.That's not what was being discussed.
i have made a big distinction between pundits -- who, on all sides, need to calm down, but they are entertainers -- and actual politicians -- like Sarah Palin -- who have been elected to office.
i'd say that easy access to powerful guns is what most helped this guy.
Irvine511
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BVS
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You're just unequipped for this type of discussion.
So those seeking to learn more and can think out of the box are liberal?
What does that say about you. Are you trying to say those that celebrate ignorance and are status quo drones are conservative?
Just keep shining light upon that ignorance...
I think it's a gross mis-characterization to say that the MSM initiates the overblowing things, and then the conservative media only overblows things in response.
Again I find that a bit of an over-simplification, and a misleading one. House and Senate Republicans have been saying that we have to extend the tax cut because these people will provide a valuable boost to our economy, through hiring and investment, etc. This tax cut isn't a new thing, it's been around for 8 years. It's quite misleading to talk about it as if it's the answer to getting our economy back on track. Our economy went down with this tax cut in place.
Again, some have claimed to be serious about it, but when it comes down to it, they're perfectly willing to pile another $900 billion onto our deficit to satisfy their own interests. And now that everyone is gearing up for the upcoming presidential election, we're going to see a whole lot more empty rhetoric (from both sides, I'll admit) about fiscal responsibility, without much action to back it up.
Yup, I don't think we're going to find much common ground there.
Oh God it's hard to resist.
By any chance, did you actually watch the clip? Because the surprising (and reassuring) thing is the complete lack of partisan jabs or political posturing at all. I would think (and hope) that people from any political persuasion would be able to watch it and agree with what he's saying.
financeguy
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Are you seriously suggesting Marilyn Manson was responsible for the Columbine massacre?
PhilsFan
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I just want everyone on the right to shut up and go away. I'm exhausted by them. Seriously.
bono_212
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Right now, in this thread, it would be nice if everyone would just shut up a bit. You're all saying you want this to stop, but you're in-fighting amongst yourselves at such a rate, it's honestly a bit hard to even keep up. The point here is that 6 people are dead, one of them a child, and the flat out main reason is because someone with an obviously noted by the people around him mental illness went unchecked and that person was given a gun. It's a tragedy, and the way you're acting isn't really being quite as respectful of those who have passed as you could be.
That's just how I feel at the moment, having followed this thread almost from the beginning. Everyone's allowed a rant now and again, right?
That's just how I feel at the moment, having followed this thread almost from the beginning. Everyone's allowed a rant now and again, right?
2861U2
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What I'm saying is that you can't tell politicians to cool it without telling Hollywood to as well. For those looking to identify outlets that can influence and aggravate potentially or already unstable people, violent forms of entertainment are a much greater factor that people in politics. Harris and Klebold were huge fans of Doom and similar games, referenced NBK (Natural Born Killers) as a code for their attack, etc.
corianderstem
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2861U2, have you read Dave Cullen's book Columbine? Fascinating (and yes, horrifying). It's very eye-opening as to the motives. Long story short - surprise, surprise - the media took ideas and ran with them, even though they turned out to be untrue.
One of my (left wing, for the record) friends on Facebook made a similar comment about comparing the shitstorm against Palin to the panic/outrage about rap and heavy metal music in the past.
It gave me pause; it was a good point. But the more I thought about it, the more secure I felt in believing that it's not a bad thing to want to hold politicians to a higher standard than we would the entertainment industry. They're trying to lead.
One of my (left wing, for the record) friends on Facebook made a similar comment about comparing the shitstorm against Palin to the panic/outrage about rap and heavy metal music in the past.
It gave me pause; it was a good point. But the more I thought about it, the more secure I felt in believing that it's not a bad thing to want to hold politicians to a higher standard than we would the entertainment industry. They're trying to lead.
PhilsFan
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Palin lied about it. That's the most frustrating part of this whole deal, to me.
BVS
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Well these are two entirely different discussions, this has been the talking point on right radio today but it's just slight of hand.
One can argue the desensitization that may or may not happen with art and video games, etc. But few(if any) of these actually list specific targets and call out enemies by name.
So, like I said two completely different conversations.
This particular event was caused by a mentally disturbed anti-government individual. Period.
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I think it may be more that liberals are more likely to be willing to devote themselves to producing original scholarly/creative/journalistic work in return for (in all likelihood) little money. I have plenty of very bright, thoughtful conservative students, but overwhelmingly they're aiming from the get-go at careers in business or law, and overwhelmingly that's exactly where they wind up, despite many of them doing very well with academic and creative work in the meantime. Put it another way, the sense of 'cultural capital' as a thing of value (and, I suppose, prestige) in its own right, not just instrumentally, doesn't seem quite as strong there. It's certainly not a matter of basic aptitude or potential. I can't speak to the situation in the sciences, but my understanding is that similar trends are noted there, i.e. the desire for careers in industry far outstrips the interest in research and education.
i agree... but these are separate issues.
the rhetoric has gotten out of control. palin is a dipshit who was incredibly irresponsible in putting crosshairs on her images, and who probably thought for herself that she might even be responsible when this story broke as well, evidenced by her pulling those images off her sites.
the rhetoric does need to stop... but that should be a different thread, a different discussion. this was not some politically motivated tea party supporter, or some separatist militia member.
this was a complete, utter psychopath. a person who should have been institutionalized years ago. but here we are, trying to put blame on something. the blame is in the hands of the shooter. he's fucking nuts. it's not the music, it's not the movies, it's not the internet, and it's not sarah palin. it's that this guy was a ticking time bomb waiting to explode. if he hadn't had a long standing grudge with giffords, it would have been someone else.
even if, in some way, rush limbaugh's rhetoric triggered something in this kid's brain to act... which i find to be ludicrous... but even if... if it wasn't rush, it would have been something else. because the guy's nutzo.
where we failed, in this case, was in his schooling... somewhere along the line teachers, administrators, somebody... should have taken the obvious warning signs and gotten this kid the help that he desperately needed. THAT is the issue here.
is the rhetoric on both sides of the aisle an issue? you're damn right it is. it's a huge one. it's why i hate both parties. but it shouldn't be THIS issue.
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