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Old 01-08-2011, 05:02 PM   #76
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I don't read through this part of the forum often, what did Zero Hedge say? I assume you are referring to a post on this forum.
No, I meant the Zero Hedge blog. I can't remember the article the prediction was in, will try and find it.

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Old 01-08-2011, 05:02 PM   #77
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Yeah she supported HC, but so did every Democrat.

It just doesn't make any sense to me. With the GOP now controlling the House, she's essentially powerless. If anything, she could be brought on board with the GOP on a number of issues. I don't get why you take her out considering a continuing GOP trend puts her seat very much in play in 2012.

For the time being, I'll say it wasn't politically motivated. If they had just shot Giffords and nobody else, maybe. But the fact that this person just opened firing hitting a bunch of people (and killing a Bush-appointed judge, I just heard) makes me think otherwise.
You seem to be a reasonable, mainstream conservative.

People like you should not be made to feel any responsibility for this tragedy.
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Yes. My mistake. It was Catcher in the Rye. Sorry. Thanks for catching that. I don't think Chapman/Lennon was the only example though. I'll think things through more carefully next time.

By the way, I just went through that entire You Tube channel of that alleged shooter. You should watch the videos. Clearly a very disturbed individual (with an anti-federal govt bent). Viewing the videos on that channel, so soon after his crime, is a very odd experience. The internet has changed just about everything it seems. I wonder how long that channel will remain on You Tube before it is taken down.
His myspace was already taken down but not before some screencaps were taken.



Picture posted today. This man is deranged.
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Old 01-08-2011, 05:11 PM   #79
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Aww, he has a Love Note!
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Old 01-08-2011, 05:36 PM   #80
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Trivial, I know (yet relevant to this website), but the congresswoman is also a U2 fan. In one of her husband's recent shuttle missions, she chose Beautiful Day to wake him and the crew.

As Arizona congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords watches, her husband heads into orbit
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Old 01-08-2011, 05:49 PM   #81
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What a tragedy, especially for the families of the people who have died in this incident, and the ones still fighting for their lives.

Many, many people here and elsewhere have pointed out the needlessly militant rhetoric of certain segments (yes, in this case on the right, it's merely a statement of fact).

When you have people like Glenn Beck bleating every night things like:

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We cannot as a nation survive much longer. We must take a page from our own history at the Alamo and "draw a line in the sand." We must decide who we are, what we are capable of and look to the heavens to chart our course.
then we should not be surprised at incidents like this. Do we think that he's the only one who thinks that resolving things like they are the Alamo is still a reasonable manner of discourse?
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No rational person is going to lay generalized blame on the entire Tea Party. This was the work of one disturbed man.

But there should definitely be some blame laid on the politicians and public figures who play to the panic and rile up their listeners.

That graphic with the crosshairs, no matter how quickly her people are trying to erase it from the web, is deplorable. Sarah Palin will backtrack and cover her ass in public as much as she can, but I can only hope she lies awake at night and thinks long and hard about what role she may have played in this. Even if the shooter had never seen it before, or never heard her "reload" comments, she should wonder.

And I hope she does, because if she doesn't, then she has no soul.
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the most disturbing part of the crosshair image is the fact that the ones denoting where people are retiring at the end of their terms are red.

doesn't need much analysing as to what is inferred to be expected of the white crosshairs.

whether related to the shooting or not, it's abhorrent.
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Federal Judge John McCarthy is among the dead.
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That youtube channel is mindless. The big plan is to create a new currency on his own.
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That youtube channel is mindless. The big plan is to create a new currency on his own.
scotland sorta did it.
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No, I meant the Zero Hedge blog. I can't remember the article the prediction was in, will try and find it.

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No rational person is going to lay generalized blame on the entire Tea Party. This was the work of one disturbed man.

But there should definitely be some blame laid on the politicians and public figures who play to the panic and rile up their listeners.
That's exactly it.

If somebody is pre-disposed to violence because they are mentally ill or a sociopath, then the blame lies with them. But when they find themselves in an environment which encourages violence, even if through the use of code words or symbolism like the crosshairs, or the constant and irresponsible bleating of talk show hosts, then that environment plays a role in shaping irrational responses.
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His myspace was already taken down but not before some screencaps were taken.



Picture posted today. This man is deranged.
where did you find the screen caps of his myspace page?
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Many, many people here and elsewhere have pointed out the needlessly militant rhetoric of certain segments (yes, in this case on the right, it's merely a statement of fact).
What disturbs me the most is, having studied the nature of hate groups long before Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, or the "Tea Party" ever hit the public consciousness, it's more than apparent that they've largely borrowing from the template of white supremacism. I doubt that it's a direct influence--perhaps I still give them the benefit of the doubt in that I think they really do "care," even if they are woefully misguided. It's more likely that this nonsense has been distilled through their ideological influences. But that is usually how this kind of hate multiplies, unfortunately.

For the record, I'm not terribly pleased with the left either, in terms of choosing emotion over erudition. "Hysteria" appears to be a universal affliction these days.
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