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Old 01-16-2011, 07:52 PM   #526
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May continue the debate later. Just want to comment on something nice and pleasant for now:

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The father of Christina Green, the youngest of six people killed January 8 at U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' meet-and-greet outside an Arizona supermarket, told CNN Friday that some of his daughter's organs "went to a little girl in Boston."

"It was very poignant to find out. That's what Christina was all about," John Green said. "It's a blessing."

Asked whether he and his wife would like to meet the girl who received the organ one day if she were willing, John Green said, "Oh yes, and I'd give her a big hug."
That's lovely . I hope they do get to meet someday.

And more great news regarding Giffords. I'm really impressed at the progress she's managed to make in one week's time. As always, continuing to send on good wishes to her on her recovery.

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Old 01-16-2011, 08:16 PM   #527
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That's lovely . I hope they do get to meet someday.

And more great news regarding Giffords. I'm really impressed at the progress she's managed to make in one week's time. As always, continuing to send on good wishes to her on her recovery.

Angela
Yes, it's nice to know some good can come out this tragedy.
It is such a miracle that Gabby is doing so well too! It's amazing how much progress she has made!
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Old 01-16-2011, 09:21 PM   #528
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Want to post this interesting story I just saw:

AP-GfK Poll: Opposition to health care law eases - Yahoo! News

purpleoscar, yes, we should absolutely strive to improve service for people health-wise, but I don't like the idea of the word "competition" being used in relation to health care. It shouldn't be about that at all. It should be solely about helping people. And if there is any competition, it should be the friendly kind, not the greedy kind.

I don't see why it has to be one or the other, left or right, on this issue, why we can't have a healthy mix of both working together to make our health care system work for the citizens. Anyone in the private health care sector who cares more about people than profits deserves praise. If the entire private sector worked like that, we wouldn't need to look to other means. But it doesn't, so we do.

As for the communism/socialism thing, I honestly don't know what to say other than I simply don't agree and I think you worry far, FAR too much about such things, and presume things about the left that may be true in some respects, but are not true of all. Which you're free to do if you wish, but don't be surprised then if people find that a bit odd and call you out on it. I haven't even read the article that that Newsweek cover alludes to, and I think you may have missed the point of it. I think it was a wee bit on the sarcastic side.

And thanks to Daz for the support/comments as well .

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I don't like the idea of the word "competition" being used in relation to health care. It shouldn't be about that at all. It should be solely about helping people.
That's not how economics work. They're competing to provide a service to you, so that they make money. If it was soley about helping people, there would be no way an insurance company could stay in business.

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And if there is any competition, it should be the friendly kind, not the greedy kind.
Can you describe what friendly competition in this instance would be, as opposed to greed?
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That's not how economics work. They're competing to provide a service to you, so that they make money. If it was soley about helping people, there would be no way an insurance company could stay in business.
This is what a lot of laypeople do not understand about the health care system in America.

Patient well being is not the only consideration. The current health system has a ton of inefficiencies, a lot of them due to patient expectations.

There is an incentive for doctors to perform a battery of tests which are more unnecessary a lot of the time, simply because they

a) Want to avoid the huge, over-inflated malpractice suits patients are allowed to bring

b) Patients do not think economically about their health. If you have insurance, and are given the option to perform a few extra tests to be 100% sure about a diagnosis, you have them carried out despite the diminishing returns, wasting the resources of the hospital

c) It is to the hospital's benefit to perform more tests and procedures. The receive more compensation from insurance companies.

d) Health care is not democratized in its current form. Is someone suffering a stroke supposed to call up the nearest four hospitals to find out the pricing for an operation + extended stay and pick the solution that is the most cost-effective, while trying to balance that out with distance the ambulance is supposed to drive so they don't die?

Health care does simply not work well as a traditional business+competition model. I'm sorry, is it working well in America when families are selling houses or are going bankrupt because daddy had the audacity to suffer a heart attack and need extended care?

Is health care working in the U.S. when an individual can pay into an insurance plan his entire life, and be dropped by his insurance company on a technicality if he has the nerve to acquire some sort of cancer?

Anyone simply arguing that pure competition is the solution for an efficient health care system in the U.S. is not doing any research and is not in touch with people on the ground in the medical field.

Healthcare /= traditional business. How f-ing hard is this to understand? Especially for those on the right opposed to reform in the system.
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Health care does simply not work well as a traditional business+competition model. I'm sorry, is it working well in America when families are selling houses or are going bankrupt because daddy had the audacity to suffer a heart attack and need extended care?
*In reference to bolded part* Hi !

Excellent post. I guess what I meant was, the main focus should be on helping people. If there HAS to be competition of any kind, it shouldn't be the part that's the most important to a hospital. I understand needing to make money to keep a business going, but profit should never go over people.

But still, I'll just refer you to Canadiens' post as they said it a hell of a lot better than I could .

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Can you describe what friendly competition in this instance would be, as opposed to greed?
Well, I don't know if it'd qualify as "competition", but I mean, look at St. Jude. They don't refuse to treat people if they can't afford to pay. And yet they're still in business. Through donations and such, sure, but still...

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That's not how economics work. They're competing to provide a service to you, so that they make money. If it was soley about helping people, there would be no way an insurance company could stay in business.
This is true and false. Yes, this is how it is currently and it's why our current system is killing the poor.

But there is a way to stay in business and truly help people.
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Health care does simply not work well as a traditional business+competition model. I'm sorry, is it working well in America when families are selling houses or are going bankrupt because daddy had the audacity to suffer a heart attack and need extended care?
thank you. i have personally known people that have had this happen to them. no one should have to declare bankruptcy because they had an illness or medical condition.
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It says a lot about the way things have been in recent years that this is considered big news, but still, very cool nonetheless :

Top Republican, top Democrat to sit together at State of the Union - Yahoo! News

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- Giffords could lose seat because of obscure statute
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As her condition continues to improve, Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords's personality is starting to shine through.

"So typical of her," her husband Mark Kelly tells ABC News. "She's in the ICU. You know, gone through this traumatic injury. And she spent 10 minutes giving me a neck massage."

"I keep telling her," Kelly adds, "I'm like, 'Gabby, you're in the ICU. You know, you don't need … to be doing this.' But it's so typical of her that no matter how bad the situation might be for her, you know, she's looking out for other people."

Husband says Giffords smiled and gave him neck rub - San Jose Mercury News
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very good news.. and cute.
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very good news.. and cute.
I heard on CNN this morning that her husband goes out late at night (for privacy) and looks at the impromptu memorial (I think at the Safeway). He said he took a teddy bear from it and brought it to her in bed the other day.

I can't imagine sitting bedside with my wife in critical condition.
It's been sad enough the couple times we've each had non-life-threatening surgeries (wisdom teeth and hand surgery).
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I can't imagine sitting bedside with my wife in critical condition.
It's been sad enough the couple times we've each had non-life-threatening surgeries (wisdom teeth and hand surgery).
It's extremely moving and inspiring when things like this start to happen, though. The signs they start to recognize and understand. I've seen it happen the other way, where they never wake up.
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This might sounds a bit strange and I don't mean it to be disrespectful since I am genuinely touched by this story and the very good news that comes after such a tragedy.

But I can't help but notice that Giffords' miraculous and speedy progress seems so much like those impossible recoveries on tv medical dramas. In a good way of course. But still.
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