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Old 01-14-2011, 05:35 PM   #481
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Old 01-14-2011, 07:13 PM   #482
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Old 01-14-2011, 07:16 PM   #483
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So which is it? You can tell by looking at what they say or they just say things to the electorate? You're constantly contradicting yourself.
It's about what they believe. So if Obama says he wants to shut down coal plants you have a clue right there.

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You honestly don't know why you call Obama radical, do you? Just falling in step, once again.
Cap and trade, and a single payer healthcare system to ME is far left. I'm sure to Democrats it's Centre right.

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Do you have a link to these Dems that have made fun of Anchor Babies?
It was on youtube and she was making fun of Michelle Malkin as a way to bash her for her tough stance on immigration. She wasn't making fun of anchor babies but was using the term against Malkin. The point is if it's so offensive then she wouldn't be able to get away with it even when making fun of a Republican.

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How many Republicans have you seen use this term regarding Canadians?
They don't have the same problem as with Mexico. If Canadians were doing this at a high rate (I don't know how with our small population) they probably would. Speaking of Canada we have a problem with people marrying Canadians just to get citizenship then they quickly divorce and bring over their real loved one from the home country. Maybe I should call them "anchor spouses".

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And why was it used to describe Salma Hayek's baby by Fox News?
I don't know I'm not familiar. Looking it up I see Penelope Cruz not Salma Hayek and Latino Republicans are calling them out on it.

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Specifically, and maybe even the last straw, came when a Fox commentator referred to the child of actors Penelope Cruz and Javier Bardem as an anchor baby. Somos Latinos fired-off a letter to Fox demanding an apology.

My own objections to the term go deeper than Hollywood notoriety. As a writer and communicator I’m sensitive to the use of words and the purpose of specific word choice. In that sense I object to the dehumanizing effect of ”anchor babies.” The term makes it too easy to dismiss the baby’s humanity – they are, after all, not babies, not human beings, but inanimate objects that create a problem for the real citizens. It’s the same reason that I refuse to use “illegal alien.” Alien things are not human, they are “other.” The illegal part is ridiculous; no human being can be illegal, being human is not a criminal act. But if we frame a group of people within terms that render them other-than-human it becomes easier to paint them as unwanted and problematic.

Anchor baby follows that same logic.

There has been no word if fox plans to apologize.
I think they should just apologize and get it over with and there will be a precident so everyone knows the new rules. Instead of anchor baby they'll have to say "those who have babies in the U.S. for the purpose of gaining citizenship", instead. Is that better?

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The black writer from the LA Times was using a reference to an old 70's saying. Not in parody. Since Jay-Z uses the word nigger you would defend Rush if he made a parody about Obama using a Jay-Z song and calling Obama a 'nigger'?

Once again, why is Obama's skin color being referenced by RUSH?
Boring topic!!!

YouTube - Juan Williams Responds To Being Told To Go "Back To The Porch"

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Says the man that still uses Ayer's references and labels people communist and socialist as much as you can.
Well when Van Jones and Anita Dunn are hired in the government what is one to do? I've met instructors that like communism. They exist. Do I fear a communist takeover? No, I don't think the population is at that point but why is it that NAZIS are so intolerable in key positions but Communists are tolerable? Is it because they mean well?

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I've just found over the years that you are fairly detached and clueless about race issues, which is why you were able to post an extremely racist article before. Not because you're racist but because I think you're fairly sheltered and incapable of that sort of empathy. I think this is a problem with many. I think you have your flat out racists and then you have those that are unable to recognize it and allow it to exist, and that's still a big problem with the right in this country.
Yeah Mona Charen is now a racist too. You're too sensitive and prove my point that if any Republicans point out abuse of the system they will be considered racists immediately. Could anyone point out failures of multiculturalism to you without being branded as a racist? "Anchor babies" don't have to be from Mexico but if Mexico is the main problem with illegal immigration (which everyone knows) then pointing out any tactics that are used you will say "Why did they mention XXXX when talking about illegal immigration?" to stifle legitimate debate. Why not remove any terms like "inalienable rights". Why is a non-U.S. citizen an illegal alien. Then we should ban Sting's song Englishman in New York for using "alien". Where does it end?
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Old 01-14-2011, 07:28 PM   #484
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Absolutely despicable.

I can see absolutely no rational defense of his statement. This is the kind of extreme rhetoric we've been talking about, purpleoscar. This is the kind of deplorable misinformation and divisive propaganda that throws a wrench in your "he's a media watchdog" claim.
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the Democrat party is attempting to find anybody but him to blame.
Media Matters. He's speaking from the point of view of Jared the lunatic. "If I was Jared....etc" When the shooting happened it was despicable what the MSM did to collectively blame the Tea Party and Sarah Palin as incitement for what he did. This Jared already disliked Giffords in 2007.

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It's about what they believe. So if Obama says he wants to shut down coal plants you have a clue right there.
Do you really not see the contradiction? How can you tell if what he's saying is what he actually believes or, as you said earlier, what politicians say to their constituents to keep in power?

Do you get to decide which is which?

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It was on youtube and she was making fun of Michelle Malkin as a way to bash her for her tough stance on immigration. She wasn't making fun of anchor babies but was using the term against Malkin. The point is if it's so offensive then she wouldn't be able to get away with it even when making fun of a Republican.
sat·ire
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It's plainly obvious that she was being satirical. It's plainly obvious that FoxNews was being absolutely serious when they used the term.
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Apparently Arizona has some sort of law that states that anyone can file a petition to try to have someone evaluated for mental illness. Doesn't even have to be a relative. I don't know all the details about the law and how it works, but it's a shame that was never done if it could have been.
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Old 01-14-2011, 07:37 PM   #487
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Do you really not see the contradiction? How can you tell if what he's saying is what he actually believes or, as you said earlier, what politicians say to their constituents to keep in power?

Do you get to decide which is which?
Because they are obviously unpopular positions.

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It's plainly obvious that she was being satirical. It's plainly obvious that FoxNews was being absolutely serious when they used the term.
I wasn't saying she wasn't being satirical? Stop changing the subject. The term "anchor babies" is satirical too. If a term is being used over and over again and there hasn't been a groundswell to remove it from public speech we will need a groundswell for it to be removed. It doesn't change the fact that what "anchor babies" represents will still be criticized whether the term is used or not.
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Media Matters. He's speaking from the point of view of Jared the lunatic.
Oh BS. He is not speaking of Jared as if he's a lunatic. He's speaking of Jared as if he's in on some wicked game, that "he understands he's got a political party doing everything it can, plus a local sheriff doing everything that they can to make sure he's not convicted of murder - but something lesser."

That is a completely unfounded lie, full stop. It is not imaginary play time in the mind of a lunatic, it is a direct accusation that the Democratic party is interested in blaming others over having the accused receive his proper punishment. And it is utterly reprehensible, both as a journalist and as, you know, a decent and moral human being, to lay out such an accusation with absolutely no basis for or evidence to support it.

So let me ask you: do you find what he said perfectly acceptable?

Oh, by the way, can you name even one prominent Democrat (not some random celebrity, blogosphere member or random leftie) who tried to pin the blame for this on Sarah Palin?
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It's about what they believe. So if Obama says he wants to shut down coal plants you have a clue right there.
I didn't think you could answer it with concrete evidence. You've already contradicted yourself about what politicians say. You can't have it both ways.


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Cap and trade, and a single payer healthcare system to ME is far left. I'm sure to Democrats it's Centre right.
This is what I tought your middle is way too skewed.


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It was on youtube and she was making fun of Michelle Malkin as a way to bash her for her tough stance on immigration. She wasn't making fun of anchor babies but was using the term against Malkin. The point is if it's so offensive then she wouldn't be able to get away with it even when making fun of a Republican.
So first it was multiple, now it's just one, and she's not actually making fun of real "anchor babies". Multiple fail.




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They don't have the same problem as with Mexico. If Canadians were doing this at a high rate (I don't know how with our small population) they probably would. Speaking of Canada we have a problem with people marrying Canadians just to get citizenship then they quickly divorce and bring over their real loved one from the home country. Maybe I should call them "anchor spouses".
Adults have a choice, children don't. But these are the laws of the land. You really just don't get this.



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I think they should just apologize and get it over with and there will be a precident so everyone knows the new rules. Instead of anchor baby they'll have to say "those who have babies in the U.S. for the purpose of gaining citizenship", instead. Is that better?
These are not "new rules" human decency and racism are not new.

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Boring topic!!!

Get over it!
This is what I thought, sometimes it's difficult to defend a hero when your hero's a douchebag that's sexist and often uses race baiting to cater to his audience.


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Well when Van Jones and Anita Dunn are hired in the government what is one to do? I've met instructors that like communism. They exist. Do I fear a communist takeover? No, I don't think the population is at that point but why is it that NAZIS are so intolerable in key positions but Communists are tolerable? Is it because they mean well?
And what about those in interference? You forgot about all those you called names too, eh?


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Yeah Mona Charen is now a racist too. You're too sensitive and prove my point that if any Republicans point out abuse of the system they will be considered racists immediately. Could anyone point out failures of multiculturalism to you without being branded as a racist? "Anchor babies" don't have to be from Mexico but if Mexico is the main problem with illegal immigration (which everyone knows) then pointing out any tactics that are used you will say "Why did they mention XXXX when talking about illegal immigration?" to stifle legitimate debate. Why not remove any terms like "inalienable rights". Why is a non-U.S. citizen an illegal alien. Then we should ban Sting's song Englishman in New York for using "alien". Where does it end?
You're convoluting too many issues here, hence why I think you don't get it. Multiculturism and illegal immigration are not one in the same.

It's not the pointing out abuse of the system that is racist. I've told you this 100s of times. So I'm just going to back out until you stop playing the I read what I want to game.
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Because they are obviously unpopular positions.
Depends entirely on the audience he was speaking to.

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I wasn't saying she wasn't being satirical? Stop changing the subject. The term "anchor babies" is satirical too.
I'm not changing the subject, I'm adding context. FoxNews was not using it satirically. At all. You were pointing fingers at liberals for using it, too, but the context in which they used it is decidedly different than the context in which it was used on Fox, so the "but you did it too" defense doesn't quite fly here.

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It doesn't change the fact that what "anchor babies" represents will still be criticized whether the term is used or not.
Because the term and what it represents is misleading at best, and hardly reflects reality. The term (and the discussion around it back when it was big) implies that it's a deceptively easy process. Pop over the border, have a kid, and boom, you're on the fast track to citizenship! What was often left out of the discussion was the inconvenient fact that even if the child has US citizenship by birth, the parents could not apply for citizenship, welfare, etc, until, at the very earliest, the child turns 21. Hardly the fast track! But "anchor baby" sounds like a trend that could catch on quick and overwhelm us if we don't do something drastic!

Again, overblown rhetoric.
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A feud has broken out between Rush Limbaugh and the so-called "All Star Panel" on Fox News' "Special Report" over the panel's praise for President Obama's speech at the memorial for the Arizona shooting victims. Speaking on his radio show Thursday, Limbaugh slammed the panelists--which, on the night of the speech, were Brit Hume, Charles Krauthammer and Chris Wallace--for their positive comments.

"They were slobbering over it for the predictable reasons," he said. "It was smart, it was articulate, it was oratorical. It was, it was all the things the educated, ruling class wants their members to be and sound like."

On Thursday night's "Special Report," host Bret Baier played the Limbaugh clip and asked Krauthammer--who had called the speech "quite remarkable and extremely effective"--for his reaction.

"As one of the three slobberers...I find it interesting that only the ruling class wants a president who is smart articulate and oratorical in delivering a funeral oration," Krauthammer said. "It's an odd and rather condescending view of what the rest of America is looking for in their president.
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Absolutely despicable.

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I wish he were a nutcase. I really do. It would make rationalizing his comments so much easier. But he's not. He's an opportunist, in it not for the sake of his country, but for the fattening of his wallet and his ego.
You got that right.

What amazes me is that it seems to be so difficult for purpleoscar to simply say, "Yeah that comment was way out of line. . ."
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"As one of the three slobberers...I find it interesting that only the ruling class wants a president who is smart articulate and oratorical in delivering a funeral oration," Krauthammer said. "It's an odd and rather condescending view of what the rest of America is looking for in their president.
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No commentary, just something else to put out there...

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Obama's speech was amazing!

(Sorry, I know that's old news, but I just saw it).
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