U S Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, a Democrat, shot at public appearance!!

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Once basic survival seems assured, the worst uncertainty for families of traumatic brain injury patients isn't the duration of any motor skill deficits, or even the cognitive skill deficits. It's that often the personality you knew and loved all those years is gone, and replaced with someone volatile, or juvenile, or tactless, or paranoid, or any number of or combination of things. And you have no idea how long that may last.

Her doctors have said though that she actually had quite little post-surgical brain swelling and that the bullet passed through very high up, possibly too high to wreak major damage on critical areas closer to the center, so, she may turn out to be a singular case in terms of recovery prospects relative to the extent of tissue damage.
 
This might sounds a bit strange and I don't mean it to be disrespectful since I am genuinely touched by this story and the very good news that comes after such a tragedy.

But I can't help but notice that Giffords' miraculous and speedy progress seems so much like those impossible recoveries on tv medical dramas. In a good way of course. But still. :reject:

Ya, I am not afraid to say it ... it's a miracle.


Last night her husband was on 20/20 with Diane Sawyer and it was so moving. They both are such remarkable people!:heart: What a great love story.

They just announced also that she is leaving the hospital Friday for rehab! Wow!! Amazing!
 
I personally stay away from the concept / miracle

the only miracle is that she was born in the 1970s instead of the 1870s, at a time when medicine has advanced to a point where she is able to survive.

Where was the miracle for the other six families? Is part of the miracle equation, that the 9 year old dies, so Gabby makes it?


As for her husband, he spent the first 30 minutes in the bathroom throwing up, because like many of us, he got the report that she was dead.
Everything after that has been nothing but good news for him.
 
On the Diane Sawyer interview her husband said Beautiful Day is her favorite song and he wants to play it for her in her room.

They seem to have a real love and quite a marriage.
 
Where was the miracle for the other six families? Is part of the miracle equation, that the 9 year old dies, so Gabby makes it?
As for her husband, he spent the first 30 minutes in the bathroom throwing up, because like many of us, he got the report that she was dead.
Everything after that has been nothing but good news for him.

Wow. That was harsh. I don't like what you are implying.

Yes, I think it's a miracle that she is recovering so quickly. I don't pretend to understand the mystery of GOd or how he works. All I know is the doctors have been using this term for her recovery so it's sounds like this is above and beyond the norm.

NO I don't think this was some sort exchange for the lives or happiness of the other victims. Give me a freaking break.
 
I don't see why it's any sort of issue, if Jeannieco or anyone else here wants to post about any feelings about it being a miracle of some sort. Don't think it has to be any sort of argumentative issue.
 
On the Diane Sawyer interview her husband said Beautiful Day is her favorite song and he wants to play it for her in her room.

They seem to have a real love and quite a marriage.

Aw :). I love the story about the teddy bear, too :cute: :heart:.

Yeah. I can't imagine having to watch a loved one go through such things, but they both seem to be handling it with such strength and composure. I really admire their relationship, and am thrilled that Giffords is making such speedy progress. I know what you mean, Ali, it really does seem strange that her recovery is moving along so quickly, but given what yolland said about her injury, that would explain a great deal of it. That, and perhaps a particularly strong will.

Angela
 
I don't see why it's any sort of issue, if Jeannieco or anyone else here wants to post about any feelings about it being a miracle of some sort. Don't think it has to be any sort of argumentative issue.

Thanks for saying that.

Deep, my spirituality is my business, what does it have to do with this?

Whatever your views, it sounds like you have some anger issues..sorry if I triggered them.
And yes, I see the good at work in this horror show. What about the heroes that stopped further carnage? He could have killed even more people so I chose to shine a light on that side of it not the darkness.
 
There could be a God, or something.

I just don't see him (if he exist) with any relationship to this terrible incident.


If he was/ is intervening. Why didn't he just have the gun jam?



If you were God, would you create human beings as programmed robots or would you create human beings with free will?
 
Let's drop the opportunistic point-scoring and stick to the topic here, eh guys?
 
Thanks for saying that.

Deep, my spirituality is my business, what does it have to do with this?

Whatever your views, it sounds like you have some anger issues..sorry if I triggered them.
And yes, I see the good at work in this horror show. What about the heroes that stopped further carnage? He could have killed even more people so I chose to shine a light on that side of it not the darkness.

I don't feel like this is an argument.
This is a discussion board, where people share their opinions and beliefs.

It does not bother me if you want give an opinion that this is some kind of a miracle. I don't know why it should bother anyone if I give my opinions.

All through this thread I have been happy for any good news for the survivors and their families. Since you brought up, I am a pretty calm person. I don't get riled up very easy.
 
I personally stay away from the concept / miracle

the only miracle is that she was born in the 1970s instead of the 1870s, at a time when medicine has advanced to a point where she is able to survive.

Where was the miracle for the other six families? Is part of the miracle equation, that the 9 year old dies, so Gabby makes it?


As for her husband, he spent the first 30 minutes in the bathroom throwing up, because like many of us, he got the report that she was dead.
Everything after that has been nothing but good news for him.

Uh... no one said there was a miracle for the other families... the only thing being discussed was the miracle for her family.
 
He's convinced that she'll be much better by then. I can't imagine he would ever go if there was any question about her health-everything tells me that there is no doubt as to his dedication to her above all things involving himself. Maybe being an astronaut requires so much positive thought and suspension of disbelief that it has helped him in his thinking about her situation. Or maybe he's just an amazingly positive person.
 
I think there are a lot of positive assumptions that may not be true.

Of course I am hoping for the absolute best. But it seems that everything that is released is being spun in the best possible light.
 
I think there are a lot of positive assumptions that may not be true.

Of course I am hoping for the absolute best. But it seems that everything that is released is being spun in the best possible light.
I'm not sure about that. I think they are saying it's a miraculous recovery, and people not familiar with brain injury think that means she's up and about already.

I have a relative who had brain trauma, and had a miraculous recovery as well. I think it took said relative three months to speak and five months to walk. Eventually, the recovery was full, but it was a very drawn out process, even for a miracle.
 
people not familiar with brain injury think that means she's up and about already.

I have a relative who had brain trauma, and had a miraculous recovery as well. I think it took said relative three months to speak and five months to walk.

Eventually, the recovery was full, .


she may never get close to full


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what if she is like James Brady, and has loss of some motor skill and slurred speech.

I just think a lot people are assuming a full recovery or close to it, at some time, long or short, down the road.
 
she may never get close to full

what if she is like James Brady, and has loss of some motor skill and slurred speech.

I just think a lot people are assuming a full recovery or close to it, at some time, long or short, down the road.

I've only got my Mom to compare with. She was in the ICU for a month after a car accident. No serious brain injury, but it took her a while to be able to write again. Talking came back quickly after she had the breathing tube taken out.
 
I've only got my Mom to compare with. She was in the ICU for a month after a car accident. No serious brain injury, but it took her a while to be able to write again. Talking came back quickly after she had the breathing tube taken out.


I am happy for your mother, that is good news.


But it seems the stories with the happiest endings get repeated the most.

Of course we all want to be optimistic. But despite what one may have taken away from reading The Secret, wishful thinking changes little.

If not, Tibet would be free by now.
 
she may never get close to full


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what if she is like James Brady, and has loss of some motor skill and slurred speech.

I just think a lot people are assuming a full recovery or close to it, at some time, long or short, down the road.
I'm simply speaking of something else that was deemed miraculous. Of course she may never fully recover. In fact, that's pretty likely, as unfortunate a reality as it is.
 
I am happy for your mother, that is good news.


But it seems the stories with the happiest endings get repeated the most.

Thanks. Actually, this August it will be 10 years since it happened.

What I never let myself forget about that time is that while my mom was in the ICU, one of my brother's good friends was hit by a truck stepping off the curb. He was about 3 beds over from my mom. They were able to keep him alive for about a day. His family, fiancee and friends had time to see him and say goodbye even though he was in a coma.

So my mom survived her accident, but this nice, healthy, 30 year-old guy didn't survive his.

The ICU and rehabilitation wards are horrible and wonderful, but also good places for introspection.
 
Newsweek, April 10
Mark Kelly has been steadfastly optimistic about his wife’s healing, voicing confidence from the earliest hours after the shooting that she would somehow achieve a complete recovery. It was Kelly who raised the prospect of Giffords attending his launch, now scheduled for April 29, and he remains hopeful that she will be able to make the trip. In a conversation with NEWSWEEK, however, Kelly seemed inclined to cast his wife’s recovery in a more realistic perspective than has been suggested by news reports. He noted that her doctors have not yet approved the trip to the Kennedy Space Center, and that, even if they do, Giffords will be kept behind a wall of privacy, away from the eyes of the public and press. Asked when he thought his wife might make her first public appearance, Kelly responded, “I don’t know. You know, that’s going to be up to her.” He then added, “I think that’s months—and not weeks—away.”
First and foremost, the nonspecialist should understand that when Kim and the other doctors on the team speak of progress, it is in relative terms, given that the patient has suffered severe brain damage. “‘Leaps and bounds’ means much faster recovery than the average patient from a similar type of thing,” Kim says. When he says that he is having conversations with Giffords, he means that he has asked her a question (“How are you today?”) and that she has answered (“I’m better”). Kim adds that there is a bottom line for all such patients, whatever their recovery curve. “If somebody has a severe brain injury, are they ever going to be like they were before? The answer is no. They are never going to be the exact same person.”

Dr. Gerard Francisco, the physiatrist in charge of the Giffords medical team, says he is quite pleased with his patient’s progress, although he acknowledges that outsiders, especially the media, might be misinterpreting what the doctors and therapists are trying, however circumspectly, to describe. “It’s how we measure the change,” Francisco says. “Some people will expect changes to be big. I’m happy with small changes, as long as I see these changes every day, and that’s why I’m very encouraged. Some people would like things to get better within an hour, within a day, within a week. Rehab is not measured that way. It is a long-term process.” What Francisco and his rehab team aim for is an optimized “new normal” for each patient. “Everyone around her needs to understand, hey, this is a different situation,” says music therapist Meagan Morrow, who is working with Giffords. “After you have a brain injury, you are a different person. It doesn’t matter who you are.”

For a politician such as Giffords, one key ambition of the rehabilitation process is helping to restore the ability to speak. Giffords speaks haltingly, stringing together three- or four-word responses to questions, and is beginning to formulate entire sentences. Morrow is working to help her recapture the ability to use language through song—the rhythmic strains of a familiar tune, such as “Happy Birthday,” triggering compensatory language activity in undamaged parts of the brain. “Language is messed up…But the brain can make up for itself. What doctors have found is that whenever you sing a song, the motor areas are lighting up, the emotional areas—all these different parts of the brain are working to get that song out. So, I’m going in through another way, to create a new pathway to language.”

Because of the near-mystical way in which the brain heals itself, it is impossible for doctors to predict precisely what the new normal ultimately will be for a given patient. Even so, Kim, the neurosurgeon, remains optimistic. This is partly because the bullet that went through Giffords’s brain injured the left hemisphere, which controls speech and movement on the right side of the body. Partial paralysis may result, but in the context of recovering from brain injury, doctors place less emphasis on that than on other factors. “Motor weakness, for example, is not that big a deal, compared with cognitive things,” Kim says. “So, first of all, is your personality going to be like it was before? Are you going to have the same kind of mental abilities, and think through things, and understand? And the social-relationship part—how sensitive are you to other people’s emotions? Do you want to relate? A lot of that function, it turns out, is in the right side of the brain.”

In Giffords’s case, the answer to Kim’s questions about cognitive ability is an emphatic yes. “We joke around, and I tell her all the funny things that happen in Washington, and she laughs,” says Pia Carusone, Giffords’s chief of staff. “When we say her personality is there, I mean, she’s like 100 percent there.” Carusone, who travels to Houston each week, says that Giffords communicates with her through “a combination of body language, personality, and speech. It’s some words, it’s expressions on her face.”
At times, members of her family and staff have had to try to surmise her wishes, asking themselves, “What would Gabby want?” They also have had to decide what to tell her about what happened and when. In the early weeks of her recovery, Giffords apparently believed that she’d been involved in an auto accident. Her family, friends, and staff carefully censored themselves when visiting her, avoiding any talk of the horrific events of Jan. 8. When her Arizona staff made a best-wishes video to send to Giffords, her district director, Ron Barber, who was severely wounded in the attack, carefully positioned himself on-camera to disguise his injuries.

Soon after Giffords was transferred to Houston, Kelly consulted with the doctors there about what he should tell her. ‘‘Her neuropsychologist at TIRR early on talked to us about the importance of her knowing what happened to her,” he recalls. “I mean, it’s important for her recovery.” But Kelly still grappled with how much to tell her. He visits his wife every morning, and, when she has a break from her rehab routine, he reads her the newspaper. His custom had been to censor himself as he read. But one morning a few weeks ago, Giffords could see that Kelly was skipping over some material, and she grabbed at the paper. He decided then to tell her that she had been shot. “So she knows why she’s there, and what her injury is, and some of the details about her situation,’’ he says.

But Giffords still doesn’t know everything. She doesn’t know that among the dead were a 9-year-old girl, her beloved young staffer, Gabe Zimmerman, and her friend, federal Judge John Roll. “When she starts asking for more details, we’re going to tell her,” Kelly says. “But she hasn’t asked that specific question yet.”
Some in her circle hope that Giffords will make some sort of return to public life by autumn, possibly even a return to the House floor. But Kim, her Houston neurosurgeon, will not speculate on a timetable. Carusone, Giffords’s chief of staff, says some media reports have created the impression that “she was sitting in the hospital room mulling over polls and considering her political future. And she’s not." "She’s not going to do a job, or even attempt to, if she doesn’t think she can do it effectively and serve her constituents well,” Kelly says. “I’m going to want for her what she wants for her, and I know she’s going to set the bar pretty high. So she’s going to have to decide what that minimum ability is.”

...Kelly seems to be asking for greater perspective in the public narrative of his wife’s recovery. At the same time, his own expectations for her remain undimmed, and his conviction does not admit the notion that there is a new normal. “The answer to that is no,” he says, “because she is improving. I was gone for three days down in Florida for terminal countdown tests. I was away for three nights. And I could notice a change, and an improvement, in her ability to communicate” when he returned to Houston. “The doctors are very optimistic about where she’ll be three months, six months, from now. Incredibly optimistic. So we don’t know what that new normal is going to be for her.”
 
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