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Old 01-10-2011, 03:10 PM   #211
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If members of the Westborough Baptist "Church" show up to any of the funerals, they will be blocked by over 400 of us who have agreed to peacefully stand in front of them so that the mourners may mourn in peace. I plan on bringing earplugs.

bring them some fresh buttplugs.
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Old 01-10-2011, 03:19 PM   #212
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I hope you're not trying to dismiss the idea that there are prominent FAR-LEFT people in Washington, journalism, the media, society, etc...

Actually, there are now a hell of a lot more moderate Republicans in Congress than moderate Democrats. This is a fact.

Oh please. That's just pathetic.
Making this quick as to not derail the thread;
Conservative Republicans and Conservatives have hated many of the polices that been put in place by liberal, and some moderate Democrats since the Dpression (of the 1930's) such as Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid.

They have been irching to get into full power to take down these programs among other) one way or another. Newt Gingrich "Medicare to wither on the vine", during the "Contract On America" years of the in the 90's.

other here already commented on your other 2 points, and I agree with them.
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Old 01-10-2011, 03:30 PM   #213
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That you consider Foxnews a "clear representation of a conservative point of view" is what's wrong with the conservative movement these days. FoxNews is an echo chamber and a chief propagator of the overblown rhetoric that passes for political discourse these days, and wields entirely too much influence within that party. I can't think of a single so-called "liberal media" organization that wields so much power that Democratic candidates fear crossing it. When's the last time a prominent Republican politician disagreed with FoxNews or Rush Limbaugh without issuing a public apology days later for daring to part from the groupthink?
Thank God for Rush Limbaugh. People like him are the reason for conservative media in the first place. There was very little before that. I seriously doubt we will agree on almost anything. The fact that I name the main TV news stations, academia, and Hollywood as being obviously biased but you can't find one example shows we won't agree and we have polar opposite views.

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Speaking of overblown rhetoric...
Hardly. Just pointing out liberal rhetoric. That's what a huge percentage of conservative media is. I'm so glad it has an effect.

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-high unemployment, yes it is a problem and may have some very upset.
But, in the last year it is consistently trending down. 6/10
The economy is still uncertain precisely because with increased debt there will have to be increased taxes unless cuts are implemented. Businesses usually like a stable tax environment so when they risk expanding or starting new ones they know that IF they get a profit they are going to keep more of it.

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-energy taxes, really? I have not heard any individual ranting about this. Even the oil companies seem to be having some windfall profits, gasoline has gone up, but the cost is related to oil at $100 a barrel. 2/10
The EPA is threatening it. Of course the House can defund any of these activities but the threat is still there.

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-inflation, check the rate, it is very low 2/10
The core inflation excludes food and energy so one of the cool new things that's happening is smaller packaging and contents for the same price. In some cases people are paying the same price for 20% less.

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-illegal immigration, again check the stats, this is way down, due to no construction jobs, etc. also, with most States running deficits, there is really little aid available for them. Here in CA our new Governor just announce huge Gov cuts, immigration, 4/10
Then why is this murder case considered and example of the heated debate over immigration?

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-pointless stimulus spending, this may have some people agitated, but is it legit? most of the TARP has been paid back. Government Motors, really is just a fabrication. 4/10
I would agree if stimulus stops. The Republicans talk a big game but they have to get down to it. The Tea Party is also a response to lame Republicans.
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Newt Gingrich "Medicare to wither on the vine", during the "Contract On America" years of the in the 90's.
oops, you had a typo

it is not "Contract On America".

Contract with America -
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Do we see any examples of the left showing their vitriol in these stories? Look at the articles I posted. There's plenty on the left and if the left doesn't change how would the right?

show me where Joe Biden or John Edwards or Joe Lieberman or Al Gore or any other Democratic VP candidate from the past 50 years has used the same level of "lock and load" rhetoric that Palin has.
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show me where Joe Biden or John Edwards or Joe Lieberman or Al Gore or any other Democratic VP candidate from the past 50 years has used the same level of "lock and load" rhetoric that Palin has.
I don't care about "lock and load". It's a metaphor. Just like Obama saying "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,". Obama is not going to literally bring a gun and any lunatic that does couldn't be tied to Obama unless it was intended as literal.
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lol, most democrats in america would be considered righties almost anywhere else, and by the same token, most righties in the rest of the modern world would be considered democrats by american standards.

there's basically no such thing as the far left in the usa.
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So what we have here so far is a huge overreaction to an old piece of Palin campaign propaganda, and now the right wing echo chamber of clowns will go into its usual 'look at this, I am so, so offended by this, extremely offended by these liberal accusations'. I.E. an overreaction to an overreaction.

Neither is really part of the issue here with this shooting.

Move along, nothing to see here, folks.
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Old 01-10-2011, 04:46 PM   #219
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oops, you had a typo

it is not "Contract On America".

Contract with America -
Thanks, deep.
I wasn't 100% sure, and getting sleepy, and it was wrong of me not to check somewhere on the web before i posted that particular info bit.
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I don't care about "lock and load". It's a metaphor. Just like Obama saying "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,". Obama is not going to literally bring a gun and any lunatic that does couldn't be tied to Obama unless it was intended as literal.

yes, i know. no one is blaming Sarah Palin. we are saying that her rhetoric is FULL of images like this -- and one joke by Obama does not in any way compare to the target sites on her website.

people complained about that Palin map AT THE TIME, including GIFFORDS HERSELF. this is not news.

this is a reason why NO ONE should be surprised.
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Thank God for Rush Limbaugh.
Some of the saddest words written in FYM...
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Some of the saddest words written in FYM...
yes it sure is.
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Thank God for Rush Limbaugh. People like him are the reason for conservative media in the first place.
Do you think it's healthy when news organization effectively serve as echo chambers for political parties?

Do you think it's healthy when politicians get ostracized when they dare cross 'their own' media figures?

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Hardly. Just pointing out liberal rhetoric.
Do you have any sources for this specific liberal rhetoric? If not, you're only adding to the overblown rhetoric.

I haven't seen anyone in the media use this as an excuse to dismiss the entire conservative viewpoint. I have seen people use it as an excuse to argue against the political tactics employed by conservative politicians in order to stir up support. Yes, they're turning a blind eye to some overblown rhetoric from the left, but there's a big difference between saying this is proof that some rhetoric needs to stop, and saying that this is proof that an entire political persuasion needs to end.
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lol, most democrats in america would be considered righties almost anywhere else, and by the same token, most righties in the rest of the modern world would be considered democrats by american standards.

there's basically no such thing as the far left in the usa.
No, coolian, there actually are far left people/groups in the USA, i mean hard-core Marxist-Leninsits, Stalinists, and some Maoists who all are small groups realitively AND quite different from The Green,s and Democratic Socilaists {mostly DSOC= Democratic Socialists of Amercia} who are also here in somewhat larger numbers who are probably much like the general people in Nordic countries, and some other (most?) European countries.

I basically know because I am a liberal/progressive living in the NYC area where you'll always find a concentration of them [hard left] (making them seem of bigger numbers if you were to extrapolate that number across the USA) since I've been semi-active quie young in general political, and single issue activites since the Anti-Vietnam War Marches and Rallies of The 60's. You'd see them also among the larger groups of people marching against the Iraq Wars 1 & 2. I've actually seen them, their signs, and newspspers.

And as someone who grew up during the Cold War we weren't even taught that there were differences between a lot of Socialists and The Communists of both Russian & Chineese types.

It wasn't till way later that I started to learn on my own about various European countries political configurations.
And I was quite annoyed that thst part of my eduction was so limited. But looking back with things like Anti-Communist McCarthyism that way over-reached (ruining countless careers, and lives) back in the early-mid 50's probably really scared a lot of people into speaking very unuanced views.
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No, coolian, there actually are far left people/groups in the USA, i mean hard-core Marxist-Leninsits, and some Maoists who are a very small group realitively AND quite different from the TYhje Greens and Democratic Socilaists {mostly DSOC= Democratic Socialists of Amercia} who are also here in somewhat larger numbers who are probably much like the Nordic countries, and some other (most?) European countries.

I basically know because I am a liberal/progressive living in the NYC area where you'll always find a concentration of them (making them seem of bigger numbers if you were to extrapolate that number across the USA) since I've been semi-active in general political, and single issue activites since the Anti-Vietnam War Marches and Rallies of The 60's. You'd see them also among the larger groups of people marching against the Iraq Wars 1 & 2. So I've actually sen them and their signs.

ANd as someone who grew up during the Cold War we weren't even taught that there were differences between a lot of Socialists and Communists.
It wasn't till way later that started to learn on my own about various European countries political configurations.
sorry, i meant in the mainstream/actually governing, like 2861u2 and others assert.
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