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Old 03-23-2011, 07:14 AM   #91
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Imagine if STING was Sting? Wouldn't that be a mind fuck.
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Old 03-24-2011, 09:30 PM   #92
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Imagine if STING was Sting? Wouldn't that be a mind fuck.


Imagine if we took time to ignore the trivial distractions.
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Old 03-25-2011, 03:07 AM   #93
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Imagine if we took time to ignore the trivial distractions.
Imagine if we took the time to answer people's questions instead of ignoring them and frustrating everyone.

 
"Please post how I have ignored people.

Please post an example of me frustrating everyone."
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Old 03-25-2011, 07:06 AM   #94
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Pfan, the ignore button is an option.
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Old 03-25-2011, 08:44 AM   #95
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Imagine if we took time to ignore the trivial distractions.
i'm sorry, was there a point to this? if there's not that's cool... but it seemed as if you were trying to make a point, so i was just wondering.
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answer my specific questions in the other thread.
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Old 03-26-2011, 05:13 PM   #97
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Can we talk about Libya?


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Woman says raped by Gaddafi's men, pleads with media

TRIPOLI (Reuters) – A weeping Libyan woman made a desperate plea for help on Saturday, slipping into a Tripoli hotel full of foreign media to accuse pro-government militiamen of gang-raping her and covering her in bruises and scars.

"Look at what Gaddafi's militias did to me," Eman al-Obaidi screamed with tears in her eyes, pulling up her coat to show blood on her upper leg.

After being intimidated by security men and hotel staff, who also beat journalists trying to interview her in the restaurant of the hotel, she was bundled into a car and driven away.

Obaidi said she had been arrested at a checkpoint in Tripoli because she was from the city of Benghazi, bastion of the insurgency against Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi's rule.

Obaidi, who appeared to be in her 30s and was wearing a loose black coat, slippers and a scarf, said she had been raped by 15 men and held for two days. Her face was badly bruised.

"They swore at me and they filmed me. I was alone. There was whisky. I was tied up," she said, weeping and stretching out her arms to show the scars.

"They peed on me. They violated my honor."

Her story could not be independently verified. It was unclear whether she had escaped or had been released.

The government said it was treating her case as a criminal one.

"I assure you she is secure. All legal help is being offered to her," said government spokesman Mussa Ibrahim. "So far, nothing of what she says is political. It's a criminal case. It's being investigated to the full course of the law."

Earlier, officials had suggested they thought she was either drunk or mentally ill.

"LOOK AT MY FACE"

As Obaidi spoke to reporters, sobbing and shaking, hotel staff and plainclothes security men tried to push and intimidate her as she ran from one table to another, crying.

"I am not scared of anything. I will be locked up immediately after this," Obaidi shouted through her tears. "Look at my face. Look at my back. All of my body is bruised."

In the ensuing scuffle, one member of the hotel staff grabbed a knife from a table and yelled: "You traitor! How dare you say that?"

A man in civilian clothes took out a gun.

Several journalists tried to protect Obaidi, but a foreign journalist who was trying to get away from the scene with a camera on which he had recorded the scuffle was thrown to the ground and kicked.

One Western television crew had their camera smashed.

Obaidi was eventually forced into a garden outside the hotel. Journalists trying to get to her were pushed away.

"Leave me alone," she shouted at security men. One man tried to cover her mouth with his hand.

She was then dragged to a parking lot and bundled into a white car. Security men said they were taking her to hospital.

"They are taking me to jail," she yelled, struggling with the security guards. "They are taking me to jail."

Tripoli is Gaddafi's biggest stronghold, full of loyal militiamen who crack down on any form of dissent as his troops battle rebel forces in other parts of the country.

International human rights groups say Gaddafi loyalists have been arresting thousands of people. Libyan officials say they only arrest people linked to armed gangs or al Qaeda militants.

But as Western powers press on with air raids which they say are designed to protect civilians against Gaddafi's forces, people in the capital have become more outspoken in their criticism of the state.

Foreign journalists in Tripoli are unable to report freely and not allowed to leave the hotel without government escorts.

(Writing by Maria Golovnina; Editing by Kevin Liffey)
Gaddahfi needs to go. Now.
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Whoa. That was horrifying to read..... poor woman.
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In an interview with the Italian newspaper Il Sole 24 Ore, Mr al-Hasidi admitted that he had recruited "around 25" men from the Derna area in eastern Libya to fight against coalition troops in Iraq. Some of them, he said, are "today are on the front lines in Adjabiya".

Mr al-Hasidi insisted his fighters "are patriots and good Muslims, not terrorists," but added that the "members of al-Qaeda are also good Muslims and are fighting against the invader".

His revelations came even as Idriss Deby Itno, Chad's president, said al-Qaeda had managed to pillage military arsenals in the Libyan rebel zone and acquired arms, "including surface-to-air missiles, which were then smuggled into their sanctuaries".

Mr al-Hasidi admitted he had earlier fought against "the foreign invasion" in Afghanistan, before being "captured in 2002 in Peshwar, in Pakistan". He was later handed over to the US, and then held in Libya before being released in 2008.

US and British government sources said Mr al-Hasidi was a member of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, or LIFG, which killed dozens of Libyan troops in guerrilla attacks around Derna and Benghazi in 1995 and 1996.

Libyan rebel commander admits his fighters have al-Qaeda links - Telegraph
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Old 03-27-2011, 11:00 AM   #100
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The article refers to him as "the Libyan rebel leader..." so is this guy in charge of all the rebel forces? In which case....
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Parents: Attacked Libyan Woman Held at Gadhafi HQ - ABC News

The mother says she received a phone call Monday from an unidentified caller, purportedly from the Gadhafi camp, telling her al-Obeidi is held at the Tripoli compound and asking her to instruct her daughter to change the rape claim in return for freedom and other benefits.

"Whatever you ask for, you will get: build a new house or get the money," the mother said the caller offered.

Government spokesman Moussa Ibrahim claimed in an interview with The Associated Press on Sunday that al-Obeidi was a prostitute who has since her out burst at the Rixos Hotel been freed and is staying with her sister in Tripoli.

In the Al-Jazeera interview, the father held forth a photograph he said showed al-Obeidi graduating from Law School. He said she was pursuing a postgraduate degree.
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I'm more okay with the U.S.' role in Libya since it is now a NATO operation.

I still don't understand Bush's role with Gadhafi. It's hard to find clear info right now with so many bloggers and such spewing on both sides.

Gadhafi targeted Americans in ordering the bombing of Pan Am 103. I'm not sure if/how he ever stopped being an enemy of the U.S.
Does this mean we should take him out? No, but he's far from our friend, too.
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Old 03-29-2011, 02:28 AM   #103
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There are some rumblings about tacitly accepted shipments of arms for the rebels despite the official arms embargo.

That's one way to protect civilians, I guess. My worry is that our role in prolonging this civil war ultimately causes more deaths than would have occurred at Benghazi, but at a slower rate, meaning the true impact never bubbles to the surface.
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i'd have a lot more respect for obama if he had gotten up there last night and said something along the lines of "look... of course this is about oil. it always is. republican, democrat... it doesn't matter. until we as a society is able to give up our addiction to this black shit, we're always going to get involved when a major producer has some sort of unrest. it is what it is. all these other countries aren't sitting on trillions of dollars with of crude. don't like it? start taking fucking mass transit. until then shut the fuck up and leave me alone..."
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Old 03-29-2011, 11:47 AM   #105
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I'm not ok with it at all, I think it's a big mistake. I tried to watch what he had to say last night but at a certain point it just sounded like a bunch of meaningless blah, blah, blah to me. Disappointing. It reminded me of that other guy

This is what President Obama said in 2007-so what was the actual or imminent threat to the US this time?

In what circumstances, if any, would the president have constitutional authority to bomb Iran without seeking a use-of-force authorization from Congress? (Specifically, what about the strategic bombing of suspected nuclear sites — a situation that does not involve stopping an IMMINENT threat?)

"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.

As Commander-in-Chief, the President does have a duty to protect and defend the United States. In instances of self-defense, the President would be within his constitutional authority to act before advising Congress or seeking its consent. History has shown us time and again, however, that military action is most successful when it is authorized and supported by the Legislative branch. It is always preferable to have the informed consent of Congress prior to any military action.

As for the specific question about bombing suspected nuclear sites, I recently introduced S.J. Res. 23, which states in part that “any offensive military action taken by the United States against Iran must be explicitly authorized by Congress.” The recent NIE tells us that Iran in 2003 halted its effort to design a nuclear weapon. While this does not mean that Iran is no longer a threat to the United States or its allies, it does give us time to conduct aggressive and principled personal diplomacy aimed at preventing Iran from developing nuclear weapons."
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