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Old 10-24-2011, 02:43 PM   #226
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Or maybe people are finally learning to ignore the flame-baiting statements.




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Old 10-24-2011, 03:07 PM   #227
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there is a lot of speculation on how Ghadaffi died
some are saying his own people shot him, so he would not have an opportunity to implicate others.

He chose to go down this way, he had chances to leave, like the leaders in Tunisia. He showed no mercy for his opponents, called them rats, if he captured any of them he would have surely executed them. This is what he did.

And those who think this is such a shame. It could have been much worse, we could have had the a spectacle like what occurred in Iraq with Saddam, a victor's sort of justice.
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Old 10-24-2011, 07:33 PM   #228
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You know, as much as financeguy totally laid on the hyperbole, I'm surprised these two parts of his post would meet with much disagreement or disdain as "batshit":

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As a matter of fact, even the bare fact of his execution in the absence of judicial process was a criminal act. Even if you fulsomely support the Libyan revolution, you would have to acknowledge that.

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Well, call me old-fashioned, but I believe in basic human rights for everyone. Looks like that's a far out, controversial opinion in these times!
Pretty fair comments to me.
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Old 10-24-2011, 07:48 PM   #229
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I do find myself a bit disturbed by how much people around the globe posting pics and video of this. Its like when any people like this die. At the end of the day, it's still another human being and I'm not about to watch what amounts to a snuff film.
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Old 10-24-2011, 11:53 PM   #231
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It's perfectly okay to not feel any sympathy when seeing Gaddafi bloodied and getting kicked around. I don't give a shit about him either. But you can't call that 'justice' and then pop up in another thread decrying the death penalty or waterboarding or whatever. Be consistent. Human rights are universal for a few very good reasons. And 'we' are attempting to strengthen institutions like the ICC for a few very good reasons too.

And not to go quite as far as financeguy - he was most probably killed simply by accident, via a jumped up mob who quite possibly all had a 'personal' score to settle, and it got out of hand - but I reckon there were probably more than a few sighs of relief when he popped up dead, and not at an airport awaiting the next plane to the Hague. Again, real 'justice' would have been something very, very different.
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But you can't call that 'justice' and then pop up in another thread decrying the death penalty or waterboarding or whatever. Be consistent. Human rights are universal for a few very good reasons.


has that happened in here?
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Old 10-25-2011, 03:56 PM   #233
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This isn't a political piece.

by Blake Gopnik (Newsweek), Oct. 21
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Images of Muammar Gaddafi, taken Thursday as he was battered and bleeding and then dead, are everywhere, and everyone should find them hard to look at. They operate as war porn and gore porn, not much different from the ton of less newsworthy carnage that floats free in cyberspace, and that probably shouldn’t. But we still need to look at the Gaddafi shots, I think, because pornography is only part of their story. To my Christian-trained eyes, there’s huge pathos in these images, regardless of the monster they show. Since the Middle Ages at least, Western image-making has had the sight of greatness, cast down and bloodied, right at its heart. Before any war was caught in pictures, before any artist had even painted a subject from life, Europeans already had images of a great figure--the Christ himself, King of Kings and God of Gods, as Handel has us sing in Messiah--tortured and strung up and then finally slaughtered. It goes without saying that Gaddafi himself was perfectly evil and un-Christ-like. Anyone who believes in hell imagines him there now. But our Western eyes aren’t as smart as our morals: They see those photos of Gaddafi, alive and suffering and then as a blasted corpse, and head straight to the crucifixion scenes that are the bedrock of our visual culture. Some Christians would say that this is one of the gifts that their religion and its art give them: That they can understand the suffering of Christ as standing for the suffering that anyone else could ever endure. Even in the case of someone as evil as Gaddafi, say Christians, we profit from being able to see a piece of suffering humanity in him, because what he’s enduring was also endured by God’s son. I’m the most convinced of atheists, but I like to think that the Christian images I’ve been immersed in help me see the tortured man in pictures of a monster dying.

...But looking hard at the Gaddafi photos shows that they also allow a totally different, less familiar reading that may justify their taking, and their circulation. They show Gaddafi as damaged goods, as worthless carrion, as trash. Which means that they accurately reveal, you could say, the repugnant reality that was always there under the grand surface Gaddafi liked to present to the world. With Gaddafi, the contrast isn’t just between a live guy in a dull suit and his equally dull-looking corpse, as we get with images of slaughtered Western tyrants such as Mussolini or Ceausescu. Gaddafi liked to present himself as splendid and regal; he often dressed in shades of gold, like the uniform he was wearing when he died, because he wanted to be seen as inherently precious. The greatness that he claimed wasn’t really built on particular actions and their positive results for his people. (As time passed, it got harder and harder to claim such results, even for an inveterate liar like Gaddafi.) This leader’s greatness was built on the idea that he, in his person, was greatness incarnate. That’s why that person had to be destroyed, smashed, made worthless and ugly, and then recorded in that state.
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Or maybe people are finally learning to ignore the flame-baiting statements.




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Because something is happening here
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