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Old 09-24-2012, 08:46 PM   #256
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what uncertainty ?
Such as the unexpected events that pop up in life. Life is not one predictable bore as we all know.
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Old 09-24-2012, 08:54 PM   #257
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If I get a flat tire, or even if an earthquake hits, I get those are things not planned for, they are uncertain.
Again what correlation to religion?

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Old 09-24-2012, 09:12 PM   #258
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If I get a flat tire, or even if an earthquake hits, I get those are things not planned for, they are uncertain.
Again what correlation to religion?
Well, for people of faith, that means they will turn to God for strength. At least, that is what I do when crap happens in my life.
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Old 09-27-2012, 06:45 PM   #259
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Now there are cyberattacks on banks-B of A and Wells Fargo and another one I can't remember. They are supposedly retaliation for the movie.
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At least it isn't an obama doll in fake dog poo, amirite gang?
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Old 09-29-2012, 01:51 PM   #261
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Getting back to the original topic...

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The killing of the US ambassador to Libya is rapidly becoming election fodder, as Republicans seize on confusion over the circumstances of Chris Stevens' death in Benghazi three weeks ago and accuse the Obama administration of covering up an al-Qaeda connection.
US officials reiterated on on Friday that they regard the killing of Stevens and three other Americans working for the state department at the US consulate in Benghazi as an assault by terrorists who planned the attack. But a dearth of real information about the exact circumstances of the assault has left open the question of whether such planning was merely the work of a few hours, to take advantage of a spontaneous anti-US protest over a short internet video that prompted demonstrations across the Middle East by offended Muslims, or weeks and months, to mark the 11th anniversary of al-Qaeda's 9/11 attacks on the US.


Disagreement over that question is dividing along political lines.


Earlier this week, Republican senators wrote to the US ambassador to the UN, Susan Rice, demanding that she explain her statement, five days after the killings, that they were part of a spontaneous anti-US protest. Four senators signed the letter, including John McCain, which said Rice made "several troubling statements that are inconsistent with the facts and require explanation".


The former New York mayor Rudolf Giuliani, who sought the Republican nomination for the presidency in 2008, went further, accusing the White House of a cover-up.
Speaking to Fox News, Giuliani said: "This is a deliberate attempt to cover up the truth, from an administration that claimed it wanted to be the most transparent in history. And it's the worst kind of cover-up: the kind of cover-up that involves our national security. This is a cover-up that involves the slaughter of four Americans."
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The discovery in the wrecked consulate, by CNN, of Stevens' diary has also fed claims that the White House is underplaying a broader terrorist connection. Stevens wrote that he feared he was an al-Qaeda hit list and was alarmed by his lack of security after earlier attacks on US and British targets in Benghazi and amid what he described as a growing al-Qaeda presence in Libya.


The state department's furious reaction to CNN's reporting of Stevens' fears – calling the use of non-personal information from the diary without the family's approval "disgusting" – suggested alarm in the administration at the potential damage to its denials of a conspiracy and that it will be open to criticism that it did not provide sufficient protection to the Benghazi consulate.


There are also questions about the circumstances of Stevens death and whether Libyan militias knew he was at the consulate. However, given the large footprint American diplomats make as they move around the Middle East, it would not have been difficult to discern that an important US official had arrived in Benghazi.
Republicans accuse Obama of cover-up over death of Chris Stevens in Libya | World news | guardian.co.uk


I do think there is more to this story than what is being initially reported, and I highly doubt the film had anything to do with Stevens' killing. It does appear the ambassador was killed in a planned attack by al-Qaeda.


I see nothing wrong with CNN reporting on what his journal said, and I think its wrong for the State Dept. to say what CNN did was "disgusting" because it is the responsibility of a news organization to report the facts and get those facts as legally as possible. There's nothing illegal about reporting on what a journal said, and I haven't heard about Stevens' family complaining. Plus, Stevens' journal makes it clear the attack was not spontaneous as Americans are being led to believe. Furthermore, the fact Stevens' was killed on the 11th anniversary of 9/11 is no coincidence.


I'm not happy to see Giuliani voicing his opinions on this issue because I feel he is milking his 9/11 experience for all its worth. But I do agree there is a cover-up going on. Maybe the State Dept and the White House don't want to admit they had poor security for one of its own workers in a volatile country? Also, what was Stevens' doing in Benghazi? Tripoli is the capital of Libya, so why was he in a smaller city and not at his post where any ambassador should be? If he was visiting the consulate for some reason, wouldn't security be tighter if the U.S. government knew Libya was unstable? It had to be fully aware of a growing al-Qaeda presence if the government is supposed to keep an eye on that group. Really, there was no way it could not have known. If so, then security in America is in trouble.


There is a lot more to this story, and it makes me upset that not all the information is coming out. It also makes me upset that most Americans have forgotten about this story, and some even think that anyone who does care is a radical conservative who needs to get a life.
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Sometimes the most obvious explanation is the right one, I'd suggest: Which is that there was and is a lot of confusion about what happened that day. I don't know that that suggests a great failing on the part of the administration or a cover-up. I would imagine the Obama administration is afraid to admit that more could have been done to provide Stevens with proper security, which I think is a mistake on their part, but I don't blame the administration for not knowing about this plot in advance (or worse knowing about the plot and covering up that knowledge).

There always seems to be an urge to finger-point when terrorists strike and I always find it appalling (felt the same about those who wanted to blame Bush for not stopping 9/11). It's the nature of the beast for terrorists to find a weakness and take advantage of it. We do our best to not have any areas of weakness but every now and then they manage to get through too.
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And what is the desired effect of telling the American people these attacks were spontaneous when the Libyan president, the circumstances and the facts all say something different, confussion?
Some of us were noticing the administration's inconsistencies weeks ago. I posted that on 9/17.

Now even Jon Stewart is commenting:

Jon Stewart Mocks Obama for Blaming Ambassador's Death on YouTube Video

Why, the mainstream media may actually take notice now.

Naaaaaaa.
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Old 10-17-2012, 10:20 PM   #264
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Oh yeah, remember this thread?

U.S. Ambassador Killed Over Anti-Islam Movie !!

Hey Pearl, where'd you get the idea this was caused by a movie if the president said it was "an act of terror" the same day you started it? Sept 12th

The thread that would be on page 98 rather than page 18 if a Republican president was this dishonest with the American people for his own political gain.

Here is the report of Candy "Can you say that a little louder" Crowley's own network CNN after W.H. Press Secretary called the Benghazi attack a terrorist attack on Sept 20th.

CNN's Reporting Contradicts Crowley, Vindicates Romney | MRCTV

"This is the first time the White House has characterized this as a terrorist attack."

The video is from Sept 21st, 9 days after the president and Candy "Can you say that a little louder" Crowley claim the president called the attack "an act of terror" in the Rose Garden.

Who needs more dots connected?
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How is this such a big deal? So they thought one thing, then over the course of investigation, discovered it was something else. Isn't that how a lot of stories play out? If this is your big win, Indy, I think you might be in trouble
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How is this such a big deal? So they thought one thing, then over the course of investigation, discovered it was something else. Isn't that how a lot of stories play out? If this is your big win, Indy, I think you might be in trouble
Because some people think it's un-American not to jump to conclusions, of course.
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I was going to say, that's how it comes off to me, that they were perhaps working on getting all the facts before jumping to conclusions about ties to terrorists.You know, just on the off chance that the tragedy DID happen to be over some stupid video and wasn't terrorist-related, so as not to make volatile situations with certain areas of the world even worse?

I honestly don't know what the administration's reasoning was for handling this as they did. I certainly do think that any mistakes or failures that were made should and must be dealt with and acknowledged, but I also don't think anyone here would dispute that, INDY-I don't know what exactly you expect us to say. You've been around us long enough to know that if we are wrong on something, we'll acknowledge it and say so, so you can chill with this whole, "Well, well, well..." thing.

I also know that the Republican Party should shut the hell up on military-related cover-ups, because they have absolutely NO room to talk here. I have no problem at all with demanding answers on issues of this nature, that's fine and absolutely necessary, but the GOP getting on some sudden high moral horse about this is just laughable.
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Candy "say it louder" Crowley says that she added during the debate that it took them (Obama admin) weeks to say it was an act of terror, that specific one. The rose garden, he apparently referred to acts of terror as more of an umbrella term to include that. I believe it was these acts of terror, not sure. There was applause at the time she claims she said that so I don't know. Maybe we can get audio and video and sit here and enhance it.

I have questions about it, as citizens we all should, but I can also see plain as day that the GOP is using it for political purposes.

Pearl was just going by what was out at the time she started the thread. Don't think she's in on any conspiracy-she's not Candy Crowley. I think she probably started the thread pre Rose Garden, no?

So Bush lied about WMDs, or was it what he thought at the time. Obama lied about Libya, or was it what he thought at the time. Bad intelligence or something more sinister? Depends, I guess.
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Also I just quickly Googled that mrctv that you posted, I'm on my phone so it was quick. They are a CONSERVATIVE media analysis group. Biased perhaps? Assuming that's the same MRC.
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It's the "grasping at straws" or "throw and see what sticks" syndrome.

It's very popular in politics, but the GOP has become masters of it in the last 5 years.
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