Two men in Muslim garb kicked off plane bound for NC by nervous passengers/pilot

[Irvine511]

"Actual history" is not the term that immediately springs to mind when reading Noam Chomsky or Howard Zinn.

yes, they sell books on the level of Ann Coulter, Mark Levin, Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, and Sarah Palin.

you can disagree with Chomsky or Zinn from an academic perspective, but you cannot make the claim that these are men interested in entertainment and making money off liberals wandering into Borders or looking for a book before hopping on a Southwest flight in the way that conservative "authors" fleece the right wing.

 

[KhanadaRhodes]

first of all, what the fuck is atlanta southeast airlines? i lived there for years and have never seen this airline. how weird. i'm ashamed for memphis* right now, that's fucking ridiculous. i've been uncomfortable on a plane before - not even including the shitty service and small seats. but i've been near smelly people, people who talk on cell phones as we taxi down the runway to take off, and crying babies. i didn't know i could make them taxi back and have them taken off the plane, this is awesome news.


* of course not everyone on that flight was from memphis and the people who complained very well might've been from north carolina.

 

[kramwest1]

i've been uncomfortable on a plane before - not even including the shitty service and small seats. but i've been near smelly people, people who talk on cell phones as we taxi down the runway to take off, and crying babies. i didn't know i could make them taxi back and have them taken off the plane, this is awesome news.

And hey, this is America where majority rules, right? That's a democracy in action.

 

[INDY500]

I get the outside part--Al Qaeda etc. I would argue they haven't been very successful.

But the inside--could you elaborate on exactly how we are "under attack within"--who is doing the attacking and what have been the results of their insiduous work.? I sure hope you're not referring to the "left-wing." I find the "liberals hate America" narrative so tiresome and patently untrue. I can accept "liberals mean well but are misguided" (that's how I feel about the Right) but the suggestion that the Left is actively seeking to destroy the nation is. . .and I remind you you asked me to call it . . .bullshit.

So I'm hoping that isn't where you're going with the "within" part.

Referring to "home grown" terrorists. Wahhabi-trained Imams in our prison system. Political correctness that led to the tragedy at Ft Hood. The mosques with monetary ties to Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood that also radicalize and recruit American Muslims for overseas Jihad.

Wouldn't it be a bizarre twist if the death of bin Laden leads to an American citizen placed in charge of al-Qaeda? Anwar al-Awlaki

But there is also da'wa, a stealth, non-violent jihad aimed at undermining Western civilization through legal and political systems. I'll let you decide if there are any "useful idiots" in this country, intentionally or not, aiding their cause.

 

[PhilsFan]

That is the most paranoid and delusional thing I've heard today, and I went to church this morning.

 

[Irvine511]

But there is also da'wa, a stealth, non-violent jihad aimed at undermining Western civilization through legal and political systems. I'll let you decide if there are any "useful idiots" in this country, intentionally or not, aiding their cause.

what is it with conservatives and fear?

better reload. they're comin' to getcha!

 

[maycocksean]

Referring to "home grown" terrorists. Wahhabi-trained Imams in our prison system. Political correctness that led to the tragedy at Ft Hood. The mosques with monetary ties to Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood that also radicalize and recruit American Muslims for overseas Jihad.

Wouldn't it be a bizarre twist if the death of bin Laden leads to an American citizen placed in charge of al-Qaeda? Anwar al-Awlaki

But there is also da'wa, a stealth, non-violent jihad aimed at undermining Western civilization through legal and political systems. I'll let you decide if there are any "useful idiots" in this country, intentionally or not, aiding their cause.

But all of this sounds like fringe activity to me. Like these white supremacists groups and militias and whatnot. Timothy McVeigh and their ilk. Radical Muslim activity and white supremacist groups alike are marginalized in the U.S. as far as I can tell.

I don't know much about the da'wa. Perhaps you could elaborate?

I think the argument you want to make is that Islam is inherently a bankrupt and evil religion and therefore anyone even innocent Muslims is in danger of being radicalized because that is where the faith tends. Am I right?

 

[Canadiens1131]

what is it with conservatives and fear?

better reload. they're comin' to getcha!

It seems like a large part of the mindset of many conservatives is the need to constantly feel as if traditional social values and structure are under attack. No matter what the perceived threat is, there is always something that seems perfectly rational to be afraid of (people on welfare taking your middle class money for crack, Mexis picking your apples and washing your dishes, Islam, Communists, blacks, the gays, the Federal government scheming to finally take away your firearms, etc).

What a horrible existence that must be.

 

[INDY500]

what is it with conservatives and fear?

better reload. they're comin' to getcha!

I gotcha, why get all worked up about global jihad when catastrophic global warming and Republican budget cuts will be the death of us.

 

[Irvine511]

I gotcha, why get all worked up about global jihad when catastrophic global warming and Republican budget cuts will be the death of us.

you are right.

your chances of dying in a terrorist attack is far, far, far less than getting hit by a gas guzzling SUV or by the amount of old people who will die in squalor with no health care should Paul Ryan have his way and Medicare be phased out. or the amount of people who will contract HIV because of the defunding of needle exchange programs, or the amount of women who's cervical cancer will go unnoticed because they can't get a pap smear at Planned Parenthood ... the list is endless.

 

[INDY500]

But all of this sounds like fringe activity to me. Like these white supremacists groups and militias and whatnot. Timothy McVeigh and their ilk. Radical Muslim activity and white supremacist groups alike are marginalized in the U.S. as far as I can tell.

I agree, doesn't mean it shouldn't be talked about.

I don't know much about the da'wa. Perhaps you could elaborate?

I'll let you do the research but again it's the soft hand to the closed fist of terrorism.

I think the argument you want to make is that Islam is inherently a bankrupt and evil religion and therefore anyone even innocent Muslims is in danger of being radicalized because that is where the faith tends. Am I right?

No. Please understand this has very little to do with theology. While Islam is given the label of religion it is also a legal, political and social system. In American there is amble evidence that the Muslim religion can coexist in a Western society. The freedom to practice, preach and prosthelytize Islam is a constitutionally guaranteed right.

But it is my opinion that Islamism (political Islam) is the antithesis of republicanism and that individual liberty is anathema to Sharia (Islamic Law).

 

[INDY500]

It seems like a large part of the mindset of many conservatives is the need to constantly feel as if traditional social values and structure are under attack. No matter what the perceived threat is, there is always something that seems perfectly rational to be afraid of (people on welfare taking your middle class money for crack, Mexis picking your apples and washing your dishes, Islam, Communists, blacks, the gays, the Federal government scheming to finally take away your firearms, etc).

What a horrible existence that must be.

Still beats being Canadian, eh.

 

[Canadiens1131]

Still beats being Canadian, eh.

Meh, I've spent equal time in both countries thanks to shiny dual citizenship, and both have their pros and cons.

We definitely have stubborn conservatives who are afraid of the next 25 years in Canada, too

Overall though Canada, compared to the United States seems to favour immigration and multiculturalism without the need for total assimilation of newcomers.

 

[MrsSpringsteen]

Yeah, I think pounding on the cockpit door is a much bigger worry. Even if you can't get in..not a good idea. No matter what your nationality is.


(CNN) -- An unruly passenger who had to be restrained aboard an American Airlines flight to San Francisco was traveling with a passport from Yemen, San Francisco police said on Monday.

Rageit al Murisi was "pounding on the cockpit door" minutes before he was subdued on the American Airlines Flight 1561 Sunday night, said Sgt. Michael Rodriguez.

Murisi was quickly restrained by employees and passengers, according to American Airline spokesman Tim Smith.

"He never breached the cockpit door. The door was locked," said Smith.

Murisi was placed in flex handcuffs and met by Transportation Security Administration officials and San Francisco police upon arrival, Smith said.

Flight 1561 from Chicago to San Francisco departed at 7:05 p.m. Sunday and landed at 9:12 p.m. The Boeing 737 plane had 156 passengers and six working crew members on board. No one was hurt, Smith said.

It was at least the second on Sunday in which a passenger described by authorities as disorderly was restrained.

A Continental flight bound for Chicago from Houston made an unscheduled stop in St. Louis because of an "unruly passenger," a St. Louis airport spokesman said Sunday.

The man tried to reach the exit door during the flight but was stopped by a flight attendant, spokesman Jeff Lea said.

The plane landed at St. Louis and the man was taken off the plane for questioning by airport police and federal authorities, he said.

Continental Flight 546 landed in Chicago Sunday afternoon, an hour late.

Also on Sunday, a Delta flight was diverted after a flight attendant found a suspicious note in a lavatory, a TSA official told CNN.

The flight from Detroit to San Diego was diverted to Albuquerque, New Mexico, the FBI said, adding that it was informed of "a potential security threat" on the plane.

Flight 1706 landed in Albuquerque shortly before 10 a.m., and agents were on the scene to investigate, the FBI office in Albuquerque said.

TSA spokeswoman Kristin Lee said the flight landed without incident, and all passengers deplaned safely.

"Passengers and carry-ons were cleared by a canine team, and the plane was swept with negative findings," a TSA statement said.

 

[Canadiens1131]

Who the hell pounds on a cockpit door, honestly?

One thing I know for sure is not to fuck with people while they are in the middle of doing their high-stress, high skill level jobs.

Doctor, doctor, are the ribs REALLY spread far apart enough? DOCTORRRR?????!!!

 

[BVS]

I'll let you do the research but again it's the soft hand to the closed fist of terrorism.

Code for "all I really know myself is what I heard on Hannity".

 

[MrsSpringsteen]

When I got on a plane in November of 2001 there was a man in the line near me to get seat assignments (it was Southwest) who was acting very nervously. He looked like he could be of Middle Eastern, Arabic, etc. descent. It was more the behavior though than how he looked, for me. But being two months after, honestly, maybe it was a combination of both. I said nothing about it but did I think more than once about it? Yes. Should I be ashamed of myself? Looking back, I tend to think yes. I still think about that, I guess it's a touchstone of sorts. Obviously nothing happened-and he was probably just nervous about the flight too, or maybe about what he might be subjected to? I don't know.

It turned out that the most troublesome passengers for me were the crazy drunk people next to me on the flight home-and the way that the flight attendant just let them buy drink after drink after drink. That turned out to be the scariest part of the flying. But I was watching that cockpit door and that made me nervous, if anyone got anywhere near that.

 

[Canadiens1131]

When I got on a plane in November of 2001 there was a man in the line near me to get seat assignments (it was Southwest) who was acting very nervously. He looked like he could be of Middle Eastern, Arabic, etc. descent. It was more the behavior though than how he looked, for me. But being two months after, honestly, maybe it was a combination of both. I said nothing about it but did I think more than once about it? Yes. Should I be ashamed of myself? Looking back, I tend to think yes. I still think about that, I guess it's a touchstone of sorts. Obviously nothing happened-and he was probably just nervous about the flight too, or maybe about what he might be subjected to? I don't know.

Ironically the guy was probably nervous because he thought all of his co-passengers were thinking about him maybe being a terrorist.

 

[Jive Turkey]

I think we should write a punchline to go with the title of this thread

 

[dazzledbylight]

to the subject itself :headondesk:

A big diverse world that sadly includes honor killings, genital mutilation, the death penalty for apostates, stoning of adulterers, the subjugation of women, genocide, anti-capitalism, authoritarianism and totalitarianism.

None of which I'm too keen on "coexisting" with.

Oh, hey just google up "Christian Dominists" - they're "Bosom Buddies"

Well, I'm not too keen on them taking over the USA either. And they (CD) have way more ins inside to the USA Govt than any Radical/Wahabi-ists Muslims do.

I remember within a very few days after 9-11 there was a march in Brooklyn with Christian, Jews AND Muslims condemning the atrocity. Moderate Muslims out weigh the radicals here in the USA..

We definitely have stubborn conservatives who are afraid of the next 25 years in Canada, too

But what's going to happen in ohCanada! now that Harper has a majority government without the need to form a coalition government (if I understand the basic Parliamentary System correctly)?

(not making fun of Canada-- thinks it's good country)

 

[MrsSpringsteen]

Ironically the guy was probably nervous because he thought all of his co-passengers were thinking about him maybe being a terrorist.

Yep-that's what I was trying to say

 

[PhilsFan]

A lot of people would be better off smoking weed before getting on a plane. They could chill out or sleep or enjoy the shitty snacks more than they should.

 

[INDY500]

The Sahara casino, oldest casino remaining on the Las Vegas Strip will be closing its doors on May 16.

Another victim of Islamophobia in America.

 

[corianderstem]

Damn, will there be nowhere else on The Strip to play $5 blackjack (and not at 2 in the afternoon)? They have that awesome roller coaster I went on with Sicy and beegee when we were in town for the U2 show, too.

It's so far away from the rest of the stuff on The Strip, though. And all the old school casinos just seem to be closing.

*moment of silence*