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Old 11-15-2012, 01:55 PM   #256
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Why is ther a face up from my respond???
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:56 PM   #257
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You're right.I just searched the internet in order to find information.My father was sitting next to me and I asked him wether he ever heard of him.He actually heard a man named like this but it was one other person that he was talking about,maybe a member of his family.Metaxas and Salazar Estado Novo are similar to each other.Who knows,maybe they knew each other back then because it seems like they were leaving in the same period of life.I know that during that period Metaxas was cooperating with other politicians from other countries. Anyway,we can surely understand that dictatorship is simmilar to hell,so let just hope that we will never go back there!!!
Salazar was closer to Franco (Spain), Mussolini (Italy) and Hitler (Germany).
I mean, Salazar was not friends of them, because both Hitler and Franco had plans to invade and occupy Portugal, but Salazar managed the relationships with them (as "that friend who's only there for interest and second intentions") for them not to invade us.
But Salazar was a supporter of Hitler's, but mostly Mussolini's regime. In fact, Salazar built and grew based himself and his regime on the "fascio theory" of the italian fascism.
However, he was cautious about the holocaust and about what he knew about Germany/Italy.
In the II WW, Portugal was that silly coward that declared itself neutral, but intensively collaborated simultaneously both with the Allies (France, UK, USA...) and the Axis (Germany, Italy, etc). That's how Salazar survived the II WW and was declared as the saviour of the nation.
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Old 11-15-2012, 02:03 PM   #258
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Salazar was closer to Franco (Spain), Mussolini (Italy) and Hitler (Germany).
I mean, Salazar was not friends of them, because both Hitler and Franco had plans to invade and occupy Portugal, but Salazar managed the relationships with them (as "that friend who's only there for interest and second intentions") for them not to invade us.
But Salazar was a supporter of Hitler's, but mostly Mussolini's regime. In fact, Salazar built and grew based himself and his regime on the "fascio theory" of the italian fascism.
However, he was cautious about the holocaust and about what he knew about Germany/Italy.
In the II WW, Portugal was that silly coward that declared itself neutral, but intensively collaborated simultaneously both with the Allies (France, UK, USA...) and the Axis (Germany, Italy, etc). That's how Salazar survived the II WW and was declared as the saviour of the nation.
I am sure that Salazar knew Metaxas,because Hitler and Mussolini tried to invade Greece that time.That is when actually he took a correct decision for once.Actually no,he didn't take any decisions,PEOPLE took the decision of saying no to Mussoliny when he asked the Greeks to surrender.Then I was wrong by saying cooperate,they just knew each other.
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Old 11-15-2012, 03:31 PM   #259
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I am sure that Salazar knew Metaxas,because Hitler and Mussolini tried to invade Greece that time.That is when actually he took a correct decision for once.Actually no,he didn't take any decisions,PEOPLE took the decision of saying no to Mussoliny when he asked the Greeks to surrender.Then I was wrong by saying cooperate,they just knew each other.
Yeah, they probably knew each other and collaborated. I have to research more about it. A friend of mine is speciallist in foreign politics during the Estado Novo regime, I'll ask her about it.

I've been reading some things about greek politics, and the most surprising thing to me is that a big part of the most important greek politicians have all the same surnames. Many of them are called Venizelos, Karamanlis, Papandreou, Samaras, etc. To a foreigner it gives the (maybe wrong) impression that greek politics work as a monarchy in a familly-heritage-descendant system. Is that true or these are only common/popular names in Greece?
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Old 11-15-2012, 04:01 PM   #260
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Greek protesters stormed a meeting with German representatives in Athens today - people are really on the edge...

Greek protesters storm conference hurling coffee, water, eggs and abuse | World news | The Guardian
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I was making some research about the Portuguese public debt and its evolution, through news articles, official data of the Government/Bank Of Portugal/Eurostat and I found out that:

In a quarter, I repeat, in just three months, the portuguese public debt went from 107% to 118% (11%... in just three months).
- In 2008 was circa €90 billion (64%).
- In 2011, before the troika came in, soared to around €150 billion (90%).
- Today, in 2012, the data from October 2012 estimated €228 billion.
- Of these €228 billion, €120 billion are related to debt interests or debt repayment expenses. Which means that 53% of the debt is based in criminals interests and especulation. I repeat: 53% of the debt.

Nobody ever wondered why, suddenly, from 2008 to 2009 the debt of countries like Portugal, France, Germany, Greece, Slovenia, among others, has nearly doubled. Nobody remembers what the ECB, then commanded by Jean-Claude Trichet, ordered the states to do, immediately after the bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers in 2008. This fact was completely erased from the memory of the populace. Go find out what happened, 'cause I'm not gonna tell you again.
Nobody asks why instead of reducing debt (which would be its purpose), the memorandum of the troika, signed in May 2011, increased ​​even more to levels than will never ever will be paid.

Therefore, the first moron who comes to me (in flesh) with the kind of speech my country needs austerity, that I've been living over my possibilites; that this money "lent" is to pay salaries and pensions; that this is working well that it's having good results, that it is the only way and that there is no alternative; that this is not ideological, and that is all for our good... The next one who says something that, I will punch him in the face, just to see if he stops his brain $#!£ and starts putting his lazy neurons and his brain working. [Obviously I won't do that... Well, just until I (or most people) have nothing else to lose]
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No, I'm pretty sure the first thing those types of morons deserve is a swift punch to the face!
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No, I'm pretty sure the first thing those types of morons deserve is a swift punch to the face!
I was obviously making an exageration...
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clearly, we've been bailing out the banks all along - that's why a lot of anger is directed against the 2% who just keep on screwing the rest of us over

it makes me so angry it's unreal...
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I was making some research about the Portuguese public debt and its evolution, through news articles, official data of the Government/Bank Of Portugal/Eurostat and I found out that:

In a quarter, I repeat, in just three months, the portuguese public debt went from 107% to 118% (11%... in just three months).
- In 2008 was circa €90 billion (64%).
- In 2011, before the troika came in, soared to around €150 billion (90%).
- Today, in 2012, the data from October 2012 estimated €228 billion.
- Of these €228 billion, €120 billion are related to debt interests or debt repayment expenses. Which means that 53% of the debt is based in criminals interests and especulation. I repeat: 53% of the debt.

Nobody ever wondered why, suddenly, from 2008 to 2009 the debt of countries like Portugal, France, Germany, Greece, Slovenia, among others, has nearly doubled. Nobody remembers what the ECB, then commanded by Jean-Claude Trichet, ordered the states to do, immediately after the bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers in 2008. This fact was completely erased from the memory of the populace. Go find out what happened, 'cause I'm not gonna tell you again.
Nobody asks why instead of reducing debt (which would be its purpose), the memorandum of the troika, signed in May 2011, increased ​​even more to levels than will never ever will be paid.

Therefore, the first moron who comes to me (in flesh) with the kind of speech my country needs austerity, that I've been living over my possibilites; that this money "lent" is to pay salaries and pensions; that this is working well that it's having good results, that it is the only way and that there is no alternative; that this is not ideological, and that is all for our good... The next one who says something that, I will punch him in the face, just to see if he stops his brain $#!£ and starts putting his lazy neurons and his brain working. [Obviously I won't do that... Well, just until I (or most people) have nothing else to lose]
yeah the speculators - i remember that - it was almost like "ok, which country shall we bring to its knees today?" - shameful... it's an economic war...
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Old 11-19-2012, 09:08 PM   #266
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The (already predictable) next victim:

Moody's downgrades French credit rating

The country's debt has been reduced from AAA to AA1 and has kept its negative outlook, meaning it could be downgraded again.

In a statement, Moody's blamed the risk of a Greek exit from the euro, stalled economic growth and the chances that France will have to contribute to bailing out other countries.


The same movie (with 2 years late by report to Portugal or Greece), the same justification, the same steps.
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Yeah, they probably knew each other and collaborated. I have to research more about it. A friend of mine is speciallist in foreign politics during the Estado Novo regime, I'll ask her about it.

I've been reading some things about greek politics, and the most surprising thing to me is that a big part of the most important greek politicians have all the same surnames. Many of them are called Venizelos, Karamanlis, Papandreou, Samaras, etc. To a foreigner it gives the (maybe wrong) impression that greek politics work as a monarchy in a familly-heritage-descendant system. Is that true or these are only common/popular names in Greece?
Sorry for not repling to you you any earlier.Well,those people who happen to have these names are such crooks!!! Ok,I agree that some of them made at least something right,like Karamanlis who got us into the Europion Union(which I by the way start to wonder if it was really a right decision),but they are indeed as I said before,big,fat crooks(except from Samaras and Papandreou who were not fat in compaire with Venizelos and Karamanlis)!!! Those names are not comon here.It's just that years ago some politics who had these surnames where in the goverment and after their deaths their children or grandchildren took their place,or easier as you said it is a familly-heritage-descendant with the only difference that all those years we have been voting for ... maybe I shoulden't use the excpration!
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The (already predictable) next victim:

Moody's downgrades French credit rating

The country's debt has been reduced from AAA to AA1 and has kept its negative outlook, meaning it could be downgraded again.

In a statement, Moody's blamed the risk of a Greek exit from the euro, stalled economic growth and the chances that France will have to contribute to bailing out other countries.


The same movie (with 2 years late by report to Portugal or Greece), the same justification, the same steps.
these rating agencies serve the interests of and are paid by the corporations, and luckily it looks like governments are learning not to take them too seriously especially as their recommendations clearly do not appear to be working! the French PM has interpreted the downgrade as a sanction re. the previous government - hopefully things won't go into panic mode and we won't be pressurised by a bunch of unelected arseholes...

here's a pretty good article on the situation in France

France should not be bounced into reform by Moody's downgrade | Business | guardian.co.uk

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And Hollande is far from deaf to the complaints of industry that it's too burdened with social costs and strung about with regulations to succeed: his prime minister has announced €20bn-worth of tax-breaks for firms, after a report by ex-EADS boss Louis Gallois called for a national "competitiveness shock". France does need to reform — but it will be a complex, politically fraught process that should be carefully managed. Recent experience suggests heeding the advice of the IMF, let along the ratings agencies, is not even a recipe for economic success, let alone social or political harmony
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Golden Dawn Gets EU Human Rights Seat | Greece.GreekReporter.com Latest News from Greece

EU inviting fascists to play.
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