Irvine511
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Do we need to talk about Citizens United again?
Unless you are equally concerned with billionaires like George Soros pumping money into Wisconsin or union protestors being bussed in from other states your objection rings rather hollow.
I do believe public pensions and benefits are a serious problem, they are way out of portion compared to the private sector.
But, this meat cleaver approach does seem a bit too heavy handed, I am not sure how I would vote if I lived in Wisconsin.
This is what democracy looks like when it throws away the bongos, takes a bath and gets a real job.
anitram said:Yes, because those are the same.
anitram said:Best post in this thread.
Increasingly issues such as this one will become generational fights. We have perhaps the most entitled generation of all, the baby boomers, and then we have the younger people, who are allegedly the entitled ones. Talk about being bamboozled about what is actually going on. The youth these days is fighting for the entitlements of their parents, which their parents gave themselves willy nilly and set themselves up nicely while we'll have to slave into old age. The problem is that these social programs are not sustainable at the current demographics and given our current budgets so everyone under 50 or 55 is up a shit creek without a paddle.
Way to go, boomers.
Headache in a Suitcase said:...and Obama vastly outspent McCain.
The big spender almost always wins. Democracy is still broken, regardless of party affiliation.
Now when the big spender loses anyways? Well that guy just plain sucks.
Best post in this thread.
Increasingly issues such as this one will become generational fights. We have perhaps the most entitled generation of all, the baby boomers, and then we have the younger people, who are allegedly the entitled ones. Talk about being bamboozled about what is actually going on. The youth these days is fighting for the entitlements of their parents, which their parents gave themselves willy nilly and set themselves up nicely while we'll have to slave into old age. The problem is that these social programs are not sustainable at the current demographics and given our current budgets so everyone under 50 or 55 is up a shit creek without a paddle.
Way to go, boomers.
Best post in this thread.
Increasingly issues such as this one will become generational fights. We have perhaps the most entitled generation of all, the baby boomers, and then we have the younger people, who are allegedly the entitled ones. Talk about being bamboozled about what is actually going on. The youth these days is fighting for the entitlements of their parents, which their parents gave themselves willy nilly and set themselves up nicely while we'll have to slave into old age. The problem is that these social programs are not sustainable at the current demographics and given our current budgets so everyone under 50 or 55 is up a shit creek without a paddle.
Way to go, boomers.
If that was all the Tea Party stood for, it would be good for dialogue. But it's not and never has been, and you know it. The Tea Party's main goal is to create a battle of silly rhetoric, centered around making sure rich people don't get their taxes increased.
...that our children and grandchildren inherit a national debt of $16 trillion with $60 trillion in unfunded liabilities. And rising !!
...our dollar is being devalued.
...then hey, welcome to the Tea Party !!
...and Obama vastly outspent McCain.
The big spender almost always wins. Democracy is still broken, regardless of party affiliation.
Now when the big spender loses anyways? Well that guy just plain sucks.
Does it make a difference when 4 out of Walker's top 7 donors are out of state billionaires?
That said, recalls are stupid unless it's for, like, criminal activity.
.KimJongNumberUn @KimJongNumberUn
That Wisconsin bastard Scott Walker totally stole my idea of cutting meals for school children.
Well how else are the rich supposed to get the uninformed to vote to lower the taxes on the rich?
You're really creating a fine dialogue here on the issues, my man.
Irvine511 said:But it's not even raising money. It's an individual of vast wealth using his "free speech."
You're really creating a fine dialogue here on the issues, my man.
as the recall campaign progressed, the Democrats stopped talking about bargaining rights. It was a losing issue. Walker was able to make the case that years of corrupt union-politician back-scratching had been bankrupting the state. And he had just enough time to demonstrate the beneficial effects of overturning that arrangement: a huge budget deficit closed without raising taxes, significant school-district savings from ending cozy insider health-insurance contracts, and a modest growth in jobs.
But the real threat behind all this was that the new law ended automatic government collection of union dues. That was the unexpressed and politically inexpressible issue. Without the thumb of the state tilting the scale by coerced collection, union membership became truly voluntary. Result? Newly freed members rushed for the exits. In less than one year, AFSCME, the second largest public-sector union in Wisconsin, has lost more than 50 percent of its membership in the state.
It was predictable. In Indiana, where Governor Mitch Daniels instituted by executive order a similar reform seven years ago, government-worker unions have since lost 91 percent of their dues-paying membership.
The unions’ defeat marks a historical inflection point. They set out to make an example of Walker. He succeeded in making an example of them as a classic case of reactionary liberalism. An institution founded to protect its members grew in size, wealth, power, and arrogance. A half-century later these unions were exercising essential control of everything from wages to work rules in the running of government — something that, in a system of republican governance, is properly the sovereign province of the citizenry.