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Old 09-11-2012, 11:24 PM   #256
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I was going to say, there's that as well.

But I know we're "elitist" for wanting people to be properly educated, Irvine, so...


i don't think teacher's unions are all good. i really don't. in fact, a lot of teachers don't particularly like the unions. but unions are the only real recourse teachers often have, just like trial lawyers are often the only real recourse ordinary people often have. you take the good with the bad, and try to make the good better and minimize the bad.

however, the demonization of teacher's unions and the move to privatize education hardly begins to address real educational needs, it's just more fear mongering by a party that always needs something to hate and to blame while others quietly go about starving the beast.
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Old 09-11-2012, 11:26 PM   #257
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In 2010, the average household income in Chicago was a whopping $38,625
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Old 09-11-2012, 11:28 PM   #258
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I actually honestly don't have much opinion on unions one way or another myself-I have no personal experience with them and can see the upsides and downsides, so I remain neutral, generally. But overall, I think your analysis is probably pretty spot on.

And I definitely agree that we barely only ever scratch the surface of what REALLY needs to be done with education. There are improvements to be made, for sure.
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As a general rule public teachers are paid significantly more than private school teachers are, especially the longer you've been teaching.
Huh, really? That seems counter-intuitive to me - if you want to earn a halfway decent salary teaching in Australia and New Zealand, you sure as hell don't waste your time in the (routinely underfunded) public system.

Anyway, public or private, I've no problem with teachers earning a good wage; it is, after all, one of the most important jobs anybody could do. I can't speak for the US, but down here, I find it disgraceful that education (and healthcare) workers have to fight tooth and nail for the most minor concessions. Without education and good health, we're pretty much fucked.
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Old 09-12-2012, 12:23 AM   #260
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I find it disgraceful that education (and healthcare) workers have to fight tooth and nail for the most minor concessions. Without education and good health, we're pretty much fucked.


i think teachers should be paid more.
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I would consider going into teaching if it wasn't for the shitty wages.
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In 2010, the average household income in Chicago was a whopping $38,625
The MEDIAN income in Chicago was 38,625 in Chicago.
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Judge Strikes Down Wis. Law Limiting Union Rights - ABC News
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Michigan passes anti-union 'right to work' measures over protests of thousands - U.S. News



I guess this is what the people of Michigan want?

They did put the GOP in control of both Houses in their state, right?

and the Governor?
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