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Old 06-12-2005, 10:00 AM   #16
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By BRENDAN FARRINGTON, Associated Press WriterSat Jun 11,10:40 PM ET

Sen. Mel Martinez said the Bush administration should consider closing the Guantanamo Bay prison for terrorism suspects — the first high-profile Republican to make the suggestion.

"It's become an icon for bad stories and at some point you wonder the cost-benefit ratio," Martinez said Friday. "How much do you get out of having that facility there? Is it serving all the purposes you thought it would serve when initially you began it, or can this be done some other way a little better?"

Martinez, who served in President Bush's first cabinet and is a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, made his comments after Democratic Sen. Joseph Biden (news, bio, voting record) suggested earlier in the week that the prison in Cuba be shut down.

President Bush said Wednesday that his administration was "exploring all alternatives" for detaining the prisoners.

Human rights groups and former detainees say prisoners at Guantanamo have been mistreated. The Pentagon said last week that some U.S. personnel there mishandled prisoners' copies of the Quran, the Muslim holy book.

That disclosure followed a report in Newsweek, later retracted, that U.S. investigators had confirmed that a guard had flushed a prisoner's Quran in a toilet. The White House blamed that report for violent protests in Muslim nations.

Amnesty International called the facility "the gulag of our time." Former President Jimmy Carter has also said Guantanamo should be closed.

Martinez, who strongly supported Bush's efforts in Iraq during his campaign last year, also expressed concerns about progress in the war.

"I am discouraged by how long it has taken for us to begin to draw down some forces," Martinez said at the annual Florida Society of Newspaper Editors/Florida Press Association convention.

He said he has had to write many condolence letters to the families of Floridians killed in Iraq
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Old 06-12-2005, 06:54 PM   #17
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1115: Detainee offered water—refused. Corpsman changed ankle bandages to prevent chafing. Interrogater began by reminding the detainee about the lessons in respect and how the detainee had disrespected the interrogators. Told detainee that a dog is held in higher esteem because dogs know right from wrong and know how to protect innocent people from bad people. Began teaching the detainee lessons such as stay, come, and bark to elevate his social status up to that of a dog. Detainee became very agitated.
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Old 06-13-2005, 09:20 AM   #18
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We agitated detainees?????

In some countries, you lose your head and get to look at your own body.
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Old 06-13-2005, 11:02 AM   #19
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We agitated detainees?????

In some countries, you lose your head and get to look at your own body.


are we "some countries"? i thought we were the land of the free and the home of the brave, the greatest country ever in the history of the world who's job it is to be the best at everything ever and to liberate people from the shackles of non-American democracy and non-American culture.

if the Bush admin wants to use such a worldview to justify the GWOT, then we better start acting like it and not make relativistic claims when it's convenient for us.
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Old 06-13-2005, 11:07 AM   #20
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When I read replies like that

I just conclude that the person supports torture.
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Is the description of treatment of detainees offered by deep (without commentary) de facto wrong?
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When one wants to put things in the context of "It is not as bad as beheading."

That is wrong.


When Gonzalez was testifying before congress about the Abu Ghraib abuses
and his memo stating that anything short of organ failure or death was permissible

That is wrong.

When he was pressed about Abu Ghraib abuses
his deflection was,
these people "cut off heads."
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yup.
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When I read replies like that

I just conclude that the person supports torture.
When I read replies like that

I just conclude that the person would rather use cheap insinuations instead of bringing substance to a forum.
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When I read replies like that

I just conclude that the person would rather use cheap insinuations instead of bringing substance to a forum.

i disagree.

if you're going to say, "well, it's not as bad as beheadding," it says to me, in effect, that all things not as bad as beheadding are permissable.
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I am sorry I posted a conclusion.


I should have worded it differently


perhaps

"When I read replies like that

It makes me wonder if they are supporting torture?"
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You want to create a presumption based on a statement, then make an evaluation based on your own presumption? Take a second to ask a question before you fire off another round of insinuation and accustation.
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Take a second to ask a question before you fire off another round of insinuation and accustation.



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It makes me wonder if they are supporting torture?
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these people are getting treated better than most american prisoners in american jails... where's the outrage there? or are people only outraged when it suits their own political ideals?

these prisoners are not being tortured... if you want to do the whole "they're being held without trial" argument, fine... but the insinuations that these people are being tortured is a little silly to me.
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Deep, you must take lessons from Karl Rove. Ask a question that implies more than it seeks.

Despite this unnecessary beheading sidetrack, I asked a straight forward question:

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Is the description of treatment of detainees offered by deep (without commentary) de facto wrong?
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