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Old 12-28-2008, 08:57 PM   #16
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I leafed through a denier's book at Barnes and Noble a few days ago and was amused to see that they spent most of their time attacking the New York Times and BBC. It's a media conspiracy, y'hear? I'm not wrong, everyone's out to get me.
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Old 12-28-2008, 09:48 PM   #17
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The PR firm that played an important role in the beginnings of the denialist movement was the same company from all those years ago that tried to say smoking was healthy.
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Old 12-28-2008, 10:14 PM   #18
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It is somewhat ironic that people that rail against a wide range of climate change sceptics employ the same type of loaded language such as denialist, it is deliberate and you occasionally see mainstream columnists make the allusion to holocaust denial explicit.

I am going to be biased as hell, appropriate Michael Crichton's proposal, and say that more money should be put towards research with blind funding allocations - to minimise the degree that research gets shaped for political agendas. Climate change is a perfect illustration of communicating science to the public and politicians, the politics of it seems quite filthy on all sides.

The green movements refusal to support technology which minimises land use and resource consumption such as GMO's and nuclear power while championing resource intensive and unscalable means of production (such as "organic food") makes me quite contemptuous. I have some contempt for those anti-science greens that romanticise stone age lifestyles while enjoying the benefits of an energy intensive modern society, their hypocrisy is worse than an honest self-interested industry hack because it's cloaked as virtuous.
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Old 12-29-2008, 09:00 AM   #19
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The PR firm that played an important role in the beginnings of the denialist movement was the same company from all those years ago that tried to say smoking was healthy.
Now we know why Iron Horse likes the denalist movement so much...
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Old 12-29-2008, 10:02 AM   #20
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The PR firm that played an important role in the beginnings of the denialist movement was the same company from all those years ago that tried to say smoking was healthy.
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It was 60 degrees in New York yesterday - on December 28th. Global Warming is alive and well - no worries.

And I agree with Dave insofar as even if all the shit we're spewing into the air isn't making the world warmer, wouldn't it behoove everyone to have some cleaner air? Wouldn't it be nice if we didn't pollute lakes and rivers too? Why are people so against looking for cleaner alternatives? Yes, it costs money upfront, but in a few years the technologies will be quotidian and cheap.
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Old 12-29-2008, 01:26 PM   #22
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It is somewhat ironic that people that rail against a wide range of climate change sceptics employ the same type of loaded language such as denialist,
To clarify, I'm not attacking all skeptics in general. Science should be questioned, conclusions should be checked and rechecked,
But there was a specific group, who's motives did not seem to be scientifically based. They spewed so called "facts" that were bad science but seemed plausible enough to the undiscriminating eye - it's one thing to question, it's a whole other thing to confuse. (Of course, I won't deny that I'm sure there were individuals on the global warming side that used equally questionable science). And that is what they did. I can't think of the guys name at the moment, but he did a movie in response to some documentary the BBC did, and then his movie was critiqued in response. When they interview him, he can barely keep a straight face - it was actually funny to watch. It was awhile ago that I saw it but, his argument about CO2 was hilarious - something along the lines that CO2 is a very small part of the atmosphere, and thus the CO2 we talk about adding is only a very very small amount too. He then goes on to completely fail at math and proportions.

But I digress,
I will never understand why people choose to be so against trying to come up with cleaner technologies or at the very least don't see it as important. I suppose perhaps it's some mix of denial about the potential impacts all these chemicals could/can/do have on our health and a sense that the future can deal with it, it's not our problem.

I also would like to take a moment to relish Beav's use of the word "behoove", well done my good man.
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Old 12-29-2008, 01:33 PM   #23
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There is no space for a gun-rack or mud flaps on a Toyota Prius...
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I also would like to take a moment to relish Beav's use of the word "behoove", well done my good man.
Thank you for noticing!
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A valid point indeed.



Thank you for noticing!
I noticed as well, but in my world, I hear behoove a lot, so was not impressed. Brighty lives a sheltered little life.

Now, you also used quotidian, and that I appreciated.
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I love where this thread is going...
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I noticed as well, but in my world, I hear behoove a lot, so was not impressed.

Voices in your head don't count.
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Now, you also used quotidian, and that I appreciated.
I liked that one, too. Not quite up to the level of "fortnight," but close.
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Maybe it's better when we don't try to make the air cleaner. There is an theory that all those emisions from cars and factories, etc. make an cover which protect earth from harmful sunrays and therefore prevent earth from getting even warmer.Dunno what's true on it. Currently I'm in a position when I can't decide wheter to believe those people who say that the climate change is fully caused by man or those who say it's natural.
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