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Old 05-22-2012, 02:27 PM   #61
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*raises hand*.....I would.
How would you feel if you pulled the plug on someone who was found guilty, and then found out afterwards that he was actually innocent of the crime you killed him for?
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Old 05-22-2012, 02:44 PM   #62
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This is all kinds of fucked up
Are you surprised that it's coming from her? I'm not.
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Old 05-22-2012, 06:32 PM   #63
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The whole pulling the plug thing makes me think about another aspect of the death penalty that bothers me greatly. Like I said, I can understand the family's anger and I can understand them wanting the killer dead. I still don't agree with vigilante justice, but I understand the reasoning behind it.

But for me, if I'm sitting on a jury with 11 other people, and I'm sitting here listening to testimony from the prosecution and defense in a murder case, that's a whole other situation. I didn't know anything about the people involved until we found ourselves in the same courtroom. I don't know who's telling me the truth and who's lying, I don't know if one's memory is hazy, if the person sitting at the defense table is actually the one who committed the crime, I don't know any of that. I just have to trust that everyone involved is telling the truth. And that's not always the case.

And then I'm expected to sit there and make a decision about whether or not someone lives or dies based on a few days or weeks or months' worth of testimony? Yeah, who wouldn't want that job! If I find out I sentenced an innocent person to death row, hell, yeah, that's going to weigh on my conscience heavily.

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I always throw this verse out when conversing with a fellow Christian about the death penalty:

VENGEANCE IS MINE; I WILL REPAY, SAITH THE LORD

The criminal justice system is in place to keep the innocent out of harm's way, not play God. Execution is never an appropriate sentence.
Well said.

I'd also point out that one would think Christians would be against the death penalty because, you know, Jesus was put to death for no logical reason.
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Old 05-22-2012, 07:22 PM   #64
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And then I'm expected to sit there and make a decision about whether or not someone lives or dies based on a few days or weeks or months' worth of testimony? Yeah, who wouldn't want that job! If I find out I sentenced an innocent person to death row, hell, yeah, that's going to weigh on my conscience heavily.
Even though we don't have the death penalty, I am very glad that I'm permanently precluded from serving on a jury.
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Why is that, if I may ask?

I've only been summoned for jury duty once so far, but I wasn't able to do it because I was moving at the time. And I don't think the case was anything as serious as a murder trial.

But I never, ever want to find myself on that sort of a jury. Even if the death penalty isn't on the table in that sort of case, even if they're looking at life imprisonment, it'd still be really tough.
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Lawyers can't serve on a jury.
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Old 05-22-2012, 08:00 PM   #67
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I'd also point out that one would think Christians would be against the death penalty because, you know, Jesus was put to death for no logical reason.
Jesus was put to death for a very logical reason, he challenged the political power structures of the Romans and the sanhedrin. But most logically his death fulfilled Bible prophecy. Or so some of us believe.
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Jesus was guilty of the crime he was accused of and tried for, sedition, revolution. He was killed for political, criminal reasons, not religious reasons.

John Brown was more innocent than Jesus.
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But most logically his death fulfilled Bible prophecy. Or so some of us believe.
Yet Judas and the Jews have still been vilified and shat on for centuries.
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Lawyers can't serve on a jury.
Ah, okay. Didn't know that's what you did for a living (or maybe I saw mention of it once and blanked or something).

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Jesus was put to death for a very logical reason, he challenged the political power structures of the Romans and the sanhedrin. But most logically his death fulfilled Bible prophecy. Or so some of us believe.
I know that's why he was killed. I meant that he didn't commit any crimes that people nowadays see as worthy of the death penalty.

As for the Bible prophecy stuff...*Shrugs*.
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Would you be willing to pull the trigger on someone who may be innocent of the crime?
No, because if they were innocent of the crime they wouldn't have been convicted and sentenced to death.
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How would you feel if you pulled the plug on someone who was found guilty, and then found out afterwards that he was actually innocent of the crime you killed him for?
I say again......that can't happen today with today's DNA and forensic technology.

I'm a devout fan of real crime shows on TV (like "Crime stories", "Medical detectives" etc.) and the percentage of accuracy in convictions due to forensic technology is astounding. There is no way that a person can be convicted of a crime if he didn't do it.
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Are you surprised that it's coming from her? I'm not.
I'm sorry that you think my opinions are fucked up just because they don't subscribe to your way of thinking (and others)..........but the beauty of this board is that I'm free to express them anyway - even though I may be criticized (and quite often I am....). I'm entitled to my opinion as you are to yours.

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This is all kinds of fucked up
Hi Jive,

Did you not see the people I mentioned in my post?

Ted Bundy - who tortured, raped and murdered over 30 women - did he really deserve to live? was he innocent and wrongfully put to death?

John Gacy - one of the worst serial killers who disguised his cruelty under a clown's outfit and killed over 30 innocent boys? was he also innocent?

John Couey - the monster who kidnapped and raped little Jessica Lunsford and then put her in plastic bags and buried her alive, causing her to slowly suffocate to death - a truly innocent soul, right?

Adolph Eichman - one of the main architects and executors of the "final solution". Millions of Jews were herded like cattle onto railway cars and transported to death camps where they were either gassed on arrival or worked to death, slowly dying from malnutrition, disease, beatings, and ghastly experiments - all orchestrated by Adolph Eichman and his cohorts.
A true piller of the community, right?

I repeat - I would have GLADLY pulled the plug on any one of these loathsome creatures.......

If you think that's fucked up.....well, so be it.

......and here's a hug for you too.......
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I'm a devout fan of real crime shows on TV (like "Crime stories", "Medical detectives" etc.) and the percentage of accuracy in convictions due to forensic technology is astounding. There is no way that a person can be convicted of a crime if he didn't do it.
I've read many stupid things on this forum. This would be in the top percentile.
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