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Old 11-17-2008, 06:38 PM   #16
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it's hype for attempted control of the masses.
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Old 11-17-2008, 06:43 PM   #17
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Someone get Diamond a tin foil hat
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Old 11-17-2008, 06:44 PM   #18
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Oh my God, the winter can still be cold, there must not be any global warming. It was all lies, those facts! All of them!

Seriously, anyone who thinks a cold winter disproves global warming is an idiot.
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Old 11-17-2008, 06:52 PM   #19
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Oh my God, the winter can still be cold, there must not be any global warming. It was all lies, those facts! All of them!

Seriously, anyone who thinks a cold winter disproves global warming is an idiot.
The same can't be said for those who assert a hot summer proves global warming.
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Old 11-17-2008, 06:57 PM   #20
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The same can't be said for those who assert a hot summer proves global warming.
Just as absurd. The seasons will still be the seasons, regardless.

Things like general temperature increase, rising ocean levels, melting ice caps, increased hurricane strength, etc. ... those are what should be talked about.
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Old 11-17-2008, 07:02 PM   #21
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The title of the Telegraph article is classic. When I saw it earlier I knew it would be posted on here before long and also knew who was most likely to post it.

It is very important in a free society to have people like Christopher Booker to present the contrarian view to the consensus.

Having said that he is probably wrong on this.
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Old 11-17-2008, 07:04 PM   #22
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Someone get Diamond a tin foil hat

He can have one of my extra 'Anti-Propaganda Tin Foil Hats'
Although,methinks he's doing ok without one
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Old 11-17-2008, 07:12 PM   #23
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Looking at that climate audit site you can see that Gavin Schmidt is such a wanker ass protector.
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Old 11-17-2008, 07:13 PM   #24
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He can have one of my extra 'Anti-Propaganda Tin Foil Hats'
Although,methinks he's doing ok without one
Look, I think there are plenty of unknowns and there are legitimate questions to ask when confronted with theories surrounding anthropogenic climate change (though a lot less if people would actually bother to educate themselves on the subject. And if you think there's a point in saying it's a theory not a fact, you should start there). However, the notion that scientists, politicians and 'the green movement' are working together to suppress the people is absurd and everybody subscribing to it deserves to be mocked.
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Old 11-17-2008, 07:25 PM   #25
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Look, I think there are plenty of unknowns and there are legitimate questions to ask when confronted with theories surrounding anthropogenic climate change (though a lot less if people would actually bother to educate themselves on the subject. And if you think there's a point in saying it's a theory not a fact, you should start there). However, the notion that scientists, politicians and 'the green movement' are working together to suppress the people is absurd and everybody subscribing to it deserves to be mocked.

I agree DrTeeth,

There are a plenty of unknowns and there are legiitmate questions.

The red flag, to me, was how quick so many people seemed to buy into global warming.

Being skeptical and questioning is a good thing.
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I agree DrTeeth,

There are a plenty of unknowns and there are legiitmate questions.

The red flag, to me, was how quick so many people seemed to buy into global warming.

Being skeptical and questioning is a good thing.
I don't really think it's been a quick process, there's been a growing body of knowledge, and increasing numbers of people acknowledging it for decades now.
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The red flag, to me, was how quick so many people seemed to buy into global warming.

Being skeptical and questioning is a good thing.
Quick? Do you realize how long global warming theories have been around?

I think it's a red flag when folks think Al Gore was the first to talk about this...
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Old 11-17-2008, 10:56 PM   #28
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Being skeptical and questioning is a good thing.
Except if the only way you can substantiate your skepticism is through nonsense that conveniently conforms to your pre-existing worldview--thus negating the idea that you're questioning anything at all.
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The only way this argument is going to receive less divisiveness is when scientists can actually understand the role of water vapour, the sun, and how much temperature variation depends on man produced C02 in comparison to those sources. Even man made global warming proponents admitted they are still working on the effects of water vapour on the IQ squared debate:

YouTube - Global Warming Debate - Introduction, part 1 of 10

YouTube - Global Warming Debate - Richard Lindzen, part 2 of 10

YouTube - Global Warming Debate - Richard Somerville, part 3 of 10

YouTube - Global Warming Debate - Michael Crichton, part 4 of 10

YouTube - Global Warming Debate - Gavin Schmidt, part 5 of 10

YouTube - Global Warming Debate - Philip Stott, part 6 of 10

YouTube - Global Warming Debate - Brenda Ekwurzel, part 7 of 10

YouTube - Global Warming Debate - Q&A 1, part 8 of 10

YouTube - Global Warming Debate - Q&A 2, part 9 of 10

YouTube - Global Warming Debate - Q&A 3, part 10 of 10

In the mean time politicians will pay lip service to the problem to avoid political unpopularity. Canadians are not going to let their pipes freeze in order to reduce C02 footprints. You know there will be compromises.
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The Harper government is terrible on this. Just terrible.

I don't expect them to last longer than about 2.5 years though so the continuing damage should be minimal.
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