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Old 09-27-2011, 11:52 PM   #106
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How do you use a dollar sign to replace the R in a name? How did that ever make sense when you were typing that post? I have honestly no idea what to think about that.
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Old 09-28-2011, 02:32 PM   #107
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Al did not invent, nor did he even shine the brightest light on climate change.
You should say Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) otherwise you're sending propaganda. Climate change can be natural. "Climate change" sends the impression that ALL real climate change is man-made. It also sends the impression that the weather now is unprecidented and there was a golden age of climate that we ruined. Or is that what you want everyone to think?
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Old 09-28-2011, 02:37 PM   #108
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Otherwise I'm sending propaganda?



Have you ever stopped to think maybe you're the only one that's that impressionable?
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Old 09-28-2011, 09:15 PM   #109
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Who is Al Gose?
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Old 09-28-2011, 11:14 PM   #110
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Otherwise I'm sending propaganda?



Have you ever stopped to think maybe you're the only one that's that impressionable?
LOL! Who are you fooling? Lots of people will be impressionable if there's a constant drumbeat (from authentic scientists, UN, politicians) that all storms and extreme weather are our fault. Where have you been since Kyoto? In Copenhagen politicians were actually acting like they could climate control the planet with carbon taxes. It's not just that, it's also any changes to flora and fauna on the planet. Guilt (especially misplaced guilt) over and over again is wearing out the public as we speak.

Didn't Kramwest just create a post that (AGAIN) says that we are warmer than anytime in the past 1,500 years (which includes Medieval warming period)? That was a historical period that allowed crops in higher latitudes than today. If you go back farther to the Holocene it was even warmer.

It's obvious that 6 degree increases in average temperature with a doubling of CO2 isn't going to happen. As Richard Lindzen pointed out:

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Moreover, the high sensitivity of some current models would render the stability of the earth over 4.5 billion years dubious. Engineers have long recognized this and generally avoid feedback factors greater than about 0.1.
All you're left with is a small warming that won't matter much one way or another. The rest is just the U.N. acting like an aggressive panhandler looking for a slush fund for green cronies.
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Old 09-29-2011, 06:54 AM   #111
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I made one of the most benign comments in this thread and you used it to accuse me of propaganda(eventhough you know the majority in here are intelligent enough to understand the damn phrase) and to jump into your UN-cronie-socialist right wing paranoia speech.

It's a tired sad broken record.
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Old 09-29-2011, 09:27 AM   #112
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Didn't Kramwest just create a post that (AGAIN) says that we are warmer than anytime in the past 1,500 years (which includes Medieval warming period)? That was a historical period that allowed crops in higher latitudes than today. If you go back farther to the Holocene it was even warmer.
Actually, no he didn't - you misread (or didn't bother reading the whole thing). His post refers to reports that one particular lake, Lake Tanganyika, is warmer than anytime in the past 1,500 years.
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Actually, no he didn't - you misread (or didn't bother reading the whole thing). His post refers to reports that one particular lake, Lake Tanganyika, is warmer than anytime in the past 1,500 years.
Yeah, it's a fairly compartmentalized article and only just touches on the real human consequences of the lake's rising temp.

If warming waters worldwide is a natural cycle or human-caused, the effects are real and serious for all life including, and most alarmingly, human.
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Old 09-29-2011, 02:22 PM   #114
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Yeah, it's a fairly compartmentalized article and only just touches on the real human consequences of the lake's rising temp.

If warming waters worldwide is a natural cycle or human-caused, the effects are real and serious for all life including, and most alarmingly, human.
This is an old story:

Brown Geologists Show Unprecedented Warming in Lake Tanganyika | Brown University News and Events

And of course the human fault is?????

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Climate change models show a general warming in the region, which, if accurate, would cause even greater warming of the Lake Tanganyika’s surface waters and more stratification in the lake as a whole. “So, as you move forward, you can imagine that density gradient increasing,” said Russell, an author on the paper.
Twentieth-Century Warming in Lake Tanganyika is Unprecedented | UANews.org

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The team attributes the lake's increased temperature and the decreased productivity during the 20th century to human-caused global warming.
Emphasis mine

Of course as you mention there could be more reasons:

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Watershed deforestation, road building, and other anthropogenic activities result in sediment inundation of lacustrine habitats.
So is this going to be a general environmentalist thread that includes deforestations, etc or are we going to stick to CO2 being the main culprit?
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Old 09-29-2011, 05:43 PM   #115
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So is this going to be a general environmentalist thread that includes deforestations, etc or are we going to stick to CO2 being the main culprit?
Did you just mention deforestation and CO2 as if they weren't related?
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Did you just mention deforestation and CO2 as if they weren't related?
Deforestation is less of a problem in rich countries than poor ones. Improving with modern farming uses less land, feeds more people and requires less trees to be cut down. The solution for poor countries is to get rich which will involve fossil fuels. That's why people who think organic farming should be everywhere is just a bunch of crazy talk.
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That's why people who think organic farming should be everywhere is just a bunch of crazy talk.
I think organic farming should be everywhere, but located in agri-towers (multistory buildings/skyscrapers that can be built anywhere).
There are companies out there with excellent models. Some Middle Eastern countries are very interested.

We romanticize farming too much in the U.S.
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The solution for poor countries is to get rich
Oh, well then. If they'd just thought of that earlier they wouldn't still be poor!

Do you realize how completely out of touch that sounds?
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The solution for poor countries is to get rich which will involve fossil fuels. That's why people who think organic farming should be everywhere is just a bunch of crazy talk.
Are you for real? Is this what you consider an adult answer?
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