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Old 06-16-2011, 12:42 AM   #91
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I did. The jury is still out on CO2. I actually hope for warming because I live on the frontlines where more cold is too much. 10 times the CO2 couldn't stop ice ages let alone a mini ice age.
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Old 06-16-2011, 12:48 AM   #92
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Carbon levels hit new peak, research shows

Preliminary data from the US government shows that carbon dioxide levels peaked last week at the highest levels on record

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Carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere have reached a new peak despite the economic recession in western countries and assurances from politicians that they intend to cut emissions, new research has shown.

Preliminary data from the US government's Earth Systems Research Laboratory at Mauna Loa in Hawaii, where measurements of CO2 have been continuously monitored for almost 50 years, show that 2011 CO2 levels peaked last week at 394.97ppm. This is an increase of nearly 1.6ppm on last year and the highest ever recorded.

The research comes after estimates from the International Energy Agency, revealed by the Guardian on Monday, that carbon-dioxide emissions from energy generation in 2010 were also the highest in history. About three-quarters of the energy emissions increase in 2010 came from developing countries, including China and India, said the IEA.

The continuing upward trend of CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is alarming climate scientists who say that levels must be held at or around 400ppm if we are to have any chance of avoiding serious climate change.

"This underlines the urgency of the problem. The CO2 figure continues to grow rapidly [and] can only accelerate while industrialising countries [such as China and India] do not decarbonise their economies because they have an increasingly large share of total emissions", said Dr Alice Bows, lecturer in Energy and climate change at Manchester university's Sustainable Consumption Institute.

The Mauna Loa monitoring station, run by the US government's National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) – situated at 12,000ft and well away from major pollution sources in the middle of the Pacific – is considered the most reliable place to measure concentrations of gases in the atmosphere .

If present trends of a 1.5-2ppm annual increase in CO2 levels continue, there is little chance of stabilising greenhouse gas concentrations at 450 ppm. This would only result in a 50% likelihood of limiting global warming to 2C. Climate scientists say it would be necessary to achieve stabilisation well below 400 ppm to give a relatively high certainty of not exceeding 2C.

Two degrees is the point that scientists consider to be the threshold for "dangerous" climate change which, once passed, will leave millions exposed to drought, hunger and flooding.

"It's not too late to stop dangerous climate change if the world acts now – and fast. We need to save energy, reduce demand, and develop safe and renewable alternatives to polluting fossil fuels," said Mike Childs, head of climate at Friends of the Earth.

The new CO2 peak comes as 189 countries prepare to resume the UN climate talks in Bonn. No final agreement is expected this year because of continuing disagreements between rich and poor countries but progress is expected to be made on reducing emissions from forestry and securing cash to enable the poorest countries to adapt their economies to increasingly severe climatic events.
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So we have to keep the CO2 levels below 400ppm, they currently are at 395ppm and increasing at about 1.5ppm per year, and the experts think that we still have time?

I think we have been hearing that "we still have time" ever since 2004. What a great way to be optimistic!
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Old 06-16-2011, 10:03 AM   #93
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We would have to have indefinite recessions until (decades later?) a new technology that can replace fossil fuels appears to significantly reduce our addition of CO2. We going to go way over 400ppm easily. That's why no country can meet Kyoto. It's economic suicide.
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Old 06-16-2011, 06:49 PM   #94
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Sun Headed Into Hibernation, Solar Studies Predicts

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So now we should create more CO2 to mitigate global cooling?

Of course this is just a model so hopefully they're wrong because food prices would go up if this occurs.
In the grand scheme of things, you know this is the equivalent of saying, "man this winter storm is pretty bad, so much for GLOBAL WARMING LOL" ?
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Old 06-17-2011, 09:45 AM   #95
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In the grand scheme of things, you know this is the equivalent of saying, "man this winter storm is pretty bad, so much for GLOBAL WARMING LOL" ?
No what it's saying is that there is no consensus and predicting complex systems with simple paradigms leads to errors.
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Profit from the status quo until nothing can be done and then keep profiting until you're dead and don't have to deal with the consequences.
Ah, the Bible of Capitalism in practice, Verse 1.
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Old 06-20-2011, 09:13 AM   #97
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Do the cars we drive, the factories we use, or the cigarettes we smoke not emit chemicals and gasses into the atmosphere?
I heard you fart.

Seconds later, three indian ocean dolphins died because of you. It´s called butterfly effect.
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Dr. Ivar Giaever, a former professor with Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute and the 1973 winner of the Nobel Prize in physics, abruptly announced his resignation Tuesday, Sept. 13, from the premier physics society in disgust over its officially stated policy that "global warming is occurring."

The official position of the American Physical Society (APS) supports the theory that man's actions have inexorably led to the warming of the planet, through increased emissions of carbon dioxide.

Giaever does not agree -- and put it bluntly and succinctly in the subject line of his email, reprinted at Climate Depot, a website devoted to debunking the theory of man-made climate change.

Giaever was cooled to the statement on warming theory by a line claiming that "the evidence is incontrovertible."

"In the APS it is ok to discuss whether the mass of the proton changes over time and how a multi-universe behaves, but the evidence of global warming is incontrovertible?" he wrote in an email to Kate Kirby, executive officer of the physics society.

"The claim … is that the temperature has changed from ~288.0 to ~288.8 degree Kelvin in about 150 years, which (if true) means to me is that the temperature has been amazingly stable, and both human health and happiness have definitely improved in this 'warming' period," his email message said.
I don't know who this guy is but he makes a good point. Incontrovertible?

There are two global ideologies at present that publicly declare themselves sacrosanct and beyond criticism from apostates.

One is climate change.
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I don't know who this guy is but he makes a good point. Incontrovertible?

There are two global ideologies at present that publicly declare themselves sacrosanct and beyond criticism from apostates.

One is climate change.
If that's the case the other one must be consumerist globalist neo-liberalist capitalism.
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The science is settled. The evidence that carbon-dioxide emissions from cars, power plants, buildings and other sources is heating the Earth's atmosphere is as rock solid as Einstein's E=mc2.
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The science is settled. The evidence that carbon-dioxide emissions from cars, power plants, buildings and other sources is heating the Earth's atmosphere is as rock solid as Einstein's E=mc2.
I don't know why there was so much coverage of that this week. I thought some x-rays could escape black holes--hence they travel faster than light.

And then there is the thought of slingshoting a black hole with a spacecraft--the result could be travel faster than the speed of light.


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There are two global ideologies at present that publicly declare themselves sacrosanct and beyond criticism from apostates.

One is climate change.
One is agreed upon by the majority of the scientific community doing climate research.

The other is supported by a minority of the scientific community and propped up by lobbying money from high-carbon producers and a right-wing who is heavily invested in seeing those companies continue to do business as usual.

You are making this way too easy.



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Science Friday Newsbriefs: Lake Tanganyika Heating Up, Warmest In 1,500 Years

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Jessica Tierney, lead scientist on the project and currently a post-doctoral researcher with National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration’s Climate and Global Change program, analyzed core samples from the lake floor to deduce lake surface temperatures over the past 1,500 years.

Lake temperatures have fluctuated in the past but this warming is unprecedented. “The warmest it’s ever gotten was 24.3 degrees Celsius. It’s never happened to the degree it is happening now,” says Tierney. Lake Tanganyika last reached 24.3 degrees Celsius during a warm period between 600 and 900 years ago. It is currently 26 degrees Celsius, or 78.8 degrees Fahrenheit.
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I did. The jury is still out on CO2. I actually hope for warming because I live on the frontlines where more cold is too much. 10 times the CO2 couldn't stop ice ages let alone a mini ice age.



I think the jury is still out and on a picnic with Al Go$e.
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Old 09-27-2011, 09:57 PM   #105
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I think the jury is still out and on a picnic with Al Go$e.
Al did not invent, nor did he even shine the brightest light on climate change.
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