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Old 09-17-2013, 12:32 AM   #556
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Could Kurzweil be right about solar, the Google of energy?

"We also see an exponential progression in the use of solar energy," he has predicted. "It is doubling now every two years. Doubling every two years means multiplying by 1,000 in 20 years. At that rate we'll meet 100% of our energy needs in 20 years."
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If the US conducted a quest for fusion power in the same fashion as the quest to put a man on the moon, we'd have a true long term solution to our energy & environmental concerns.
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Global warming is just HALF what we said: World's top climate scientists admit computers got the effects of greenhouse gases wrong | Mail Online
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Old 09-17-2013, 09:58 PM   #559
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Again, the Daily Mail is a tabloid. Are the climate change deniers really going to rely on a tabloid that mostly reports on celebrities to prove their point? I think you all can do a lot better than that.
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Old 09-18-2013, 01:12 AM   #560
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Could Kurzweil be right about solar, the Google of energy?

"We also see an exponential progression in the use of solar energy," he has predicted. "It is doubling now every two years. Doubling every two years means multiplying by 1,000 in 20 years. At that rate we'll meet 100% of our energy needs in 20 years."
It's amazing that we've yet to efficiently harness the power of the thing that literally supplies nearly the entire planet with its raw energy
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If the US conducted a quest for fusion power in the same fashion as the quest to put a man on the moon, we'd have a true long term solution to our energy & environmental concerns.
There's plenty of clusterfuck to achieve efficiency in nuclear fusion. Lack of skilled professionals, funding and optimal level of intelligence.

I'm pretty sure that another country, probably China or Russia, would have to develop the first solution with nuclear fusion before the US does it.
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Old 09-19-2013, 01:13 PM   #562
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There's plenty of clusterfuck to achieve efficiency in nuclear fusion. Lack of skilled professionals, funding and optimal level of intelligence.

I'm pretty sure that another country, probably China or Russia, would have to develop the first solution with nuclear fusion before the US does it.
I won't argue with you on that point. US investment in "green initiatives" has created a handful of wealthy people and few viable solutions.
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Old 09-19-2013, 01:44 PM   #563
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I won't argue with you on that point. US investment in "green initiatives" has created a handful of wealthy people and few viable solutions.
One possible solution is to limit government funding to "crowd sourced" and "open sourced" projects.
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government funding of "green" technologies pales in comparison to the welfare given to petroleum companies, even after they destroy the Gulf of Mexico or pristine Alaskan wilderness.
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Again, the Daily Mail is a tabloid. Are the climate change deniers really going to rely on a tabloid that mostly reports on celebrities to prove their point? I think you all can do a lot better than that.

I'll try.

Here's another one:
Global warming believers are feeling the heat – Telegraph Blogs
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Linking to some random blog of a journalist with no scientific background isn't exactly doing better.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:43 AM   #567
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James Delingpole is a writer, journalist and broadcaster who is right about everything. He is the author of numerous fantastically entertaining books, including his most recent work Watermelons: How the Environmentalists are Killing the Planet, Destroying the Economy and Stealing Your Children's Future, also available in the US, and in Australia as Killing the Earth to Save It. His website is James Delingpole - Official Website.
Is this the kind of "source" you would accept from your students? I surely hope not. Let's forget about being taken seriously in here, but for your own sake in order to understand this issue you have to understand the legitimacy of your sources and learn to discern.

Lets start with something simple, do you respect modern science in general?
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Fail.

This looks like an example of someone thinking only those with opposing views can have facts wrong and even spread lies, and anyone - anyone - who supports their views can do or say no wrong.
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That's a good article that asks some interesting questions like:

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Others, such as the EU’s Climate Commissioner, Connie Hedegaard, steam on oblivious. Interviewed last week by the Telegraph’s Bruno Waterfield, she said: “Let’s say that science, some decades from now, said: 'We were wrong, it was not about climate’, would it not in any case have been good to do many of the things you have to do in order to combat climate change?” If she means needlessly driving up energy prices, carpeting the countryside with wind turbines and terrifying children about a problem that turns out to have been imaginary, then most of us would probably answer “No”.
Then there's this problem:

IPCC Investigator Laframboise: “Numerous IPCC Scientists With WWF Connections…IPCC Has Been Compromised”

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It is indeed interesting that of the 34 members of the IPCC editorial team that wrote the summary report, one third are connected to the WWF and Greenpeace. That is legitimate, but that has to be made transparent. Imagine just the opposite and the editorial team were one third Exxon supporters. Wouldn’t people say: ’Hello! Is that really necessary?’”
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That's a good article
This is a major problem. We have an entire faction of the engaging population that not only considers this an article, but a "good" one.


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It is indeed interesting that of the 34 members of the IPCC editorial team that wrote the summary report, one third are connected to the WWF and Greenpeace. That is legitimate, but that has to be made transparent. Imagine just the opposite and the editorial team were one third Exxon supporters. Wouldn’t people say: ’Hello! Is that really necessary?’”
Are you serious? Oscar let's put on your critical thinking cap. Do these people profit from these connections? So why is this concerning? If your life's work lead you to get involved how is that even an issue.

Would you find it concerning if a conservative politician was connected to a pro-life organization?

Now of course the opposite would be concerning, if you had scientist or politicians that were vocal about climate change being a hoax and you discovered they were profiting from Exxon then that would raise some eyebrows. Come on man, critical thinking will allow this conversation to move forward, this just leaves it dead in its tracks.
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