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Old 04-06-2011, 07:51 AM   #16
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But the rate of extinction is the issue. The rate of extinction since the holocene is consistent with that observed in the fossil record for what we declare mass extinctions.
Point taken.

My objection was to the apparent implication in your previous post that this mass extinction was due to climate change. While there is no doubt that much stress is being placed upon some ecosystems due to global warming (Arctic climates in particular,) this current spike in extinctions has been 10,000 years or more in the making, and is due more directly to human action.
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Don't worry. Live your life.

The sun will rise and the birds will sing.

We are not in control of anything.

We can do good deeds and that includes recycling,

but it helps to just relax.
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Old 04-06-2011, 10:19 PM   #18
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Don't worry. Live your life.

The sun will rise and the birds will sing.

We are not in control of anything.

We can do good deeds and that includes recycling,

but it helps to just relax.
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Old 04-07-2011, 08:24 AM   #19
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I have lost all hope. I watched a documentary about natural gas today.

We can do this dance for decades, but in the end, the Koch Industries GOP® will win.
Was it Gasland: A film by Josh Fox ?

Just watched it last night. I take back everything I have said about Natural Gas being our transition/back-up fuel for solar and wind.

Solar, wind, hydro, geothermal and wave generation now! We are SO fucking ourselves.
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Old 04-07-2011, 11:13 AM   #20
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We are not in control of anything.
You always talk about how God gave us free will, but then you always spit out this contradictory line of logic when it comes to the planet.

So which one is it?
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Was it Gasland: A film by Josh Fox ?

Just watched it last night. I take back everything I have said about Natural Gas being our transition/back-up fuel for solar and wind.

Solar, wind, hydro, geothermal and wave generation now! We are SO fucking ourselves.
Indeed it was. I live in the Delaware River watershed.
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Indeed it was. I live in the Delaware River watershed.
Man, that was depressing. Great docu though.
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^ Speaking of Pennsylvania's natural gas industry,

New York Times, April 7
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Pennsylvania environmental regulators said Wednesday that they were calling for waste treatment plants and drinking water facilities to increase testing for radioactive pollutants and other contaminants, to see whether they are ending up in rivers because of the growth of natural gas drilling in the state. The move follows a March 7 letter that the federal Environmental Protection Agency sent to the state, instructing it to perform testing for radioactivity within 30 days and to review the permits of state treatment plants handling the wastewater.

...The letters from federal and state regulators follow reports in The New York Times about gas industry wastewater with high levels of radioactivity being discharged into rivers and streams by sewage treatment plants that were not designed to remove radioactive materials. The state’s letter also comes almost a month after a lengthy conference call among EPA officials and state regulators, during which they discussed how to improve regulation of natural gas industry wastewater in Pennsylvania. During the call, federal regulators raised concerns about sludge, often called biosolids, from waste treatment plants receiving drilling wastewater. When wastewater is sent through these plants, some of the heavier contaminants settle out during the treatment process. Radioactive elements like radium may also settle and concentrate in the sludge, which is sometimes sold by treatment plants for use as fertilizer.

...During the conference call, EPA officials pushed state regulators to consider re-evaluating all of the permits at wastewater treatment plants that are accepting drilling waste and adding stricter standards for testing of radionuclides and other contaminants. “It’s basically out of the question,” [PA Dept. of Env. Protection official Ron] Furlan said, rejecting the idea and explaining that “it’s too resource intensive” and that industry would push back too strongly.
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They're not taxed and they don't have to abide by regulations thanks to the undoing Dick Cheney led when he was VP. So, not only are they poisoning us, but they're poisoning us for free. As a sidenote, the PA Department of Environmental Protection has suffered huge budget cuts in recent years. Now, all PA education is facing the same kinds of cuts (it was recently revealed that the main reason Penn State is getting steep cuts is because Graham Spanier doesn't kiss enough ass - seriously, they said he wasn't "humble" enough).

Anything to get Terry Pegula some more money to donate to the GOP.
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You always talk about how God gave us free will, but then you always spit out this contradictory line of logic when it comes to the planet.

So which one is it?


What contradiction?

I just recycled all my trash about an hour ago.

Took it all to my local recycling site
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What contradiction?

I just recycled all my trash about an hour ago.

Took it all to my local recycling site
Do you think it is a good idea to cut education funding in order to balance your budget in a way that keeps environmentally damaging natural gas drilling untaxed?
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Do you think it is a good idea to cut education funding in order to balance your budget in a way that keeps environmentally damaging natural gas drilling untaxed?


I think it's a good idea to cut taxes anywhere we can.

What has "education funding" done for the United States the past forty years.

Nothing
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I think it's a good idea to cut taxes anywhere we can.

What has "education funding" done for the United States the past forty years.

Nothing
Larry Page could be an example.
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