The Truth, Still Inconvenient - Page 18 - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Free Your Mind
Click Here to Login
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 12-12-2011, 09:31 PM   #256
BVS
Blue Crack Supplier
 
BVS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: between my head and heart
Posts: 40,655
Local Time: 11:17 PM
Oscar, you have gone over the deep end. Do you even realize the technologies, health advancements, or energy advancements that have been due in part to governments?
__________________

__________________
BVS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2011, 10:18 PM   #257
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: The American Resistance
Posts: 4,754
Local Time: 11:17 PM
I like what Michelle Bachmann said in the debate Sat night, that we need to "legalize American energy" again.
__________________

__________________
INDY500 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2011, 10:30 PM   #258
ONE
love, blood, life
 
Canadiens1131's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 10,363
Local Time: 01:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by INDY500 View Post
I like what Michelle Bachmann said in the debate Sat night, that we need to "legalize American energy" again.
I am actually with the idea that we need to leverage existing US fossil fuel deposits.

The problem is that when you have a conservative's dream level of regulation (little to none), you get Deepwater Horizon and all-American families with flammable tap water.

Not providing government support for research into future energy alternatives to fossil fuels, despite the Solyndra cuffufle, is also a huge mistake.
__________________
Canadiens1131 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-13-2011, 06:12 PM   #259
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: The American Resistance
Posts: 4,754
Local Time: 11:17 PM
BBC News - Canada to withdraw from Kyoto Protocol
Quote:
Canada to withdraw from Kyoto Protocol

Canada will formally withdraw from the Kyoto Protocol on climate change, the minister of the environment has said.

Peter Kent said the protocol "does not represent a way forward for Canada" and the country would face crippling fines for failing to meet its targets.

The move, which is legal and was expected, makes it the first nation to pull out of the global treaty.
Canada declared four years ago that it did not intend to meet its existing Kyoto Protocol commitments and its annual emissions have risen by about a third since 1990.
Anti-science Canucks
__________________
INDY500 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-13-2011, 07:05 PM   #260
ONE
love, blood, life
 
Canadiens1131's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 10,363
Local Time: 01:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by INDY500 View Post
How do you get a whiff of anything regarding science from that article?

Even for your level of self-depricating oversimplification that's a pretty pathetic post, Indie.
__________________
Canadiens1131 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-13-2011, 07:09 PM   #261
Rock n' Roll Doggie
 
the iron horse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: in a glass of CheerWine
Posts: 3,251
Local Time: 12:17 AM
From the link posted:

"Canada's previous Liberal government signed the accord but Prime Minister Stephen Harper's Conservative government never embraced it."


I'm glad
__________________
the iron horse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-13-2011, 07:13 PM   #262
Rock n' Roll Doggie
ALL ACCESS
 
purpleoscar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: In right wing paranoia
Posts: 7,597
Local Time: 10:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BVS View Post
Oscar, you have gone over the deep end. Do you even realize the technologies, health advancements, or energy advancements that have been due in part to governments?
I'm not saying governments don't pose a role but they often have a crappy track record. Something that is in research and development like solar and wind doesn't need to be pushed on the planet until it's proven in a small scale.
__________________
purpleoscar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-13-2011, 07:21 PM   #263
BVS
Blue Crack Supplier
 
BVS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: between my head and heart
Posts: 40,655
Local Time: 11:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by purpleoscar

I'm not saying governments don't pose a role but they often have a crappy track record. Something that is in research and development like solar and wind doesn't need to be pushed on the planet until it's proven in a small scale.
Next time you pull up your smart phone to surf the Internet, check weather, or use the GPS just ignore the irony of this statement and stay the course.
__________________
BVS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-13-2011, 10:14 PM   #264
Rock n' Roll Doggie
ALL ACCESS
 
purpleoscar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: In right wing paranoia
Posts: 7,597
Local Time: 10:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BVS View Post
Next time you pull up your smart phone to surf the Internet, check weather, or use the GPS just ignore the irony of this statement and stay the course.
None of those cost as much as cap and trade to develop. They also served a government purpose first and are a different area than energy, unless the left has their way. Roads are mainly done by the government, so should cars also be nationalized?
__________________
purpleoscar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-13-2011, 10:56 PM   #265
BVS
Blue Crack Supplier
 
BVS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: between my head and heart
Posts: 40,655
Local Time: 11:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by purpleoscar

None of those cost as much as cap and trade to develop. They also served a government purpose first and are a different area than energy, unless the left has their way. Roads are mainly done by the government, so should cars also be nationalized?
You're pulling an Oscar and changing your argument.
__________________
BVS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-14-2011, 09:11 AM   #266
Rock n' Roll Doggie
ALL ACCESS
 
purpleoscar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: In right wing paranoia
Posts: 7,597
Local Time: 10:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BVS View Post
You're pulling an Oscar and changing your argument.
You're pulling a BVS and changing my argument. My argument has been the same for years. Just because we have government in some areas doesn't mean there haven't been failures and we should just plow ahead with a huge U.N. takeover of world energy. Does creating GPS cost as much as what the U.N. is asking for? Is money for third world countries as well as green technology? Will this money be wasted? If the government creates nuclear power should it run the nuclear power industry?
__________________
purpleoscar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-14-2011, 09:26 AM   #267
BVS
Blue Crack Supplier
 
BVS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: between my head and heart
Posts: 40,655
Local Time: 11:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by purpleoscar View Post
You're pulling a BVS and changing my argument. My argument has been the same for years. Just because we have government in some areas doesn't mean there haven't been failures and we should just plow ahead with a huge U.N. takeover of world energy. Does creating GPS cost as much as what the U.N. is asking for? Is money for third world countries as well as green technology? Will this money be wasted? If the government creates nuclear power should it run the nuclear power industry?
Let me remind you, you asked:

Quote:
Do we then need government to create new technologies for other things?
^This argument is ignorant, and I was showing you why...


If you want to talk about the economics of energy develpment then let's do that, but when you constantly change your argument over and over and ask silly questions like this you demean your argument.

Let's take baby steps, one question at a time:

In the long run, what do you think would be cheaper; staying the course with fossil fuels or finding an efficient means to use something that's free and available forever like solar or wind?
__________________
BVS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-14-2011, 11:56 AM   #268
Self-righteous bullshitter
 
BoMac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Soviet Canuckistan — Socialist paradise
Posts: 16,661
Local Time: 01:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by the iron horse View Post
From the link posted:

"Canada's previous Liberal government signed the accord but Prime Minister Stephen Harper's Conservative government never embraced it."


I'm glad
Why is this issue split down partisan lines? Can anyone explain this? Decades from now, we're all going to be wishing we worked together to find solutions, not create problems, point fingers, and maintain the status quo. There needs to be leadership coming from all sides.

Climate change is real. I'm sure many of us have noticed that winters are not what they used to be, summers are warmer and dryer etc. Not sure how some of you could be so blind as to not notice this.

However, I think that climate change is a natural phenomenon that occurs here on Earth. I believe, though, that consumption of fossil fuels and other sources of pollution serve as a means to speed up that process. Take from that what you will.

And, really, if climate change is not real, is there any good reason why we shouldn't be looking at cleaner uses of our energy anyway? If the end result of this is a cleaner, healthier, more efficient way of living that is good for our planet, how is that a bad thing?
__________________

BoMac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-14-2011, 12:07 PM   #269
BVS
Blue Crack Supplier
 
BVS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: between my head and heart
Posts: 40,655
Local Time: 11:17 PM
Stubbornness and ignorance, those are the only answers I see. And that's from all sides.
__________________
BVS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-14-2011, 12:12 PM   #270
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Irvine511's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 30,473
Local Time: 12:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BoMac View Post
Why is this issue split down partisan lines? Can anyone explain this?

because, in the US at least, the Republican Party is entirely sold out to the oil companies, who wish to make money. and they make money by selling oil. the more oil we consume, the more money they make. eventually, the money will be in green energy, but not yet. also, it can be expensive for businesses to conform to environmental regulations. it's much more profitable to, say, dump toxins into the groundwater and settle out-of-court when a bunch of 8-year olds get lukemia than it would be to follow every single EPA rule. that's just the costs of doing business.
__________________

__________________
Irvine511 is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:17 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com