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Old 11-10-2011, 10:17 PM   #211
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I can tell Durban is coming. $$$

Seth Bornstein is a hack BTW.

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could eventually grow so severe that some locations become "increasingly marginal as places to live."
And when you couple the warnings of overpopulation by the U.N. you get the gist. "Give us money!!!"

Noted Warmist: Scientists 'Endorse Al Gore Even Though They Know What He’s Saying Is Exaggerated and Misleading' | NewsBusters.org

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And they will then endorse Al Gore even though they know what he’s saying is exaggerated and misleading. You know, he’ll talk about polar bears dying even though we know they’re not dying. And, and I feel scientists unfortunately too many of them have abandoned the scientific method precisely because the problem is so important. And I feel exactly the opposite: when the problem is really important, then we have to hunker down, and really use the best methods of science.
And ironically as posted above there's issues with the BEST project that don't address the skeptic arguments.
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Old 11-11-2011, 07:39 AM   #212
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In other words, let's exploit modern electronic media, the hysteria machine that is 24 hour cable news and the human impulse to think history begins the day you were born.
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I'm going to put that picture on my fridge and lose 20 pounds.
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what an apt description of the GOP.

If that is such an accurate description of the GOP, can you post
a few sentences stating why you believe that is true?
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Old 11-11-2011, 07:52 PM   #215
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what an apt description of the GOP.
More like an apt description of what Al Gore has been doing for years.

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Al Gore's simulation of sea level rise in Florida and the San Francisco Bay - YouTube

Widely discredited even by climate change proponents.
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Old 11-12-2011, 12:36 AM   #216
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If that is such an accurate description of the GOP, can you post
a few sentences stating why you believe that is true?
Do you ever feel a bit hypocritical always asking people to elaborate when you yourself NEVER do?
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Al Gore (to the right) is kind of like Glenn Beck or Ann Coulter is to the left.
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Old 11-22-2011, 07:10 PM   #218
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New leak of hacked global warming scientist emails: A 'smoking gun' proving a conspiracy - or just hot air? | Mail Online
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Durban is going to be fun.

This is my favorite one so far:

http://davidappell.blogspot.com/2011...ae-emails.html

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<1485> Mann:
the important thing is to make sure they’re loosing the PR battle. That’s what
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this one too:

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<2440> Jones:

I’ve been told that IPCC is above national FOI Acts. One way to cover yourself
and all those working in AR5 would be to delete all emails at the end of the
process.
and this too:

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I gave up on Judith Curry a while ago. I don’t know what she think’s she’s
doing, but its not helping the cause
But first we have to get verification that these are real. Mann "thinks" they're his.
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Old 11-22-2011, 09:52 PM   #220
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The Daily Mail is considered to be slightly less useful than toilet paper for wiping one's ass by anyone who knows a modicum about the European news media.

But why would anyone expect a respectable source from you?
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Old 11-23-2011, 08:43 PM   #221
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Here's a sensible email:

Climategate 2 FOIA 2011 Searchable Database | 1656

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2007 11:05:20 +0100
from: "Douglas Maraun" <REDACTED>
subject: Informal Seminar TODAY
to: REDACTED

Dear colleagues,

I'd like to invite all of you to todays discussion seminar, 4pm in the
coffee room:

"Climate science and the media"

After the publication of the latest IPCC, the media wrote a vast
number of articles about possible and likely impacts, many of them
greatly exaggerated. The issue seemed to dominate news for a long time
and every company had to consider global warming in its advertisement.
However, much of this sympathy turned out to be either white washing
or political correctness. Furthermore, recently and maybe especially
after the "inconvenient truth" case and the Nobel peace prize going to
Al Gore, many irritated and sceptical comments about so-called
"climatism" appeared also in respectable newspapers.
Against the background of these recent developments, we could discuss
the relation of climate science to the media, the way it is, and the
way it should be.
In my opinion, the question is not so much whether we should at all
deal with the media. Our research is of potential relevance to the
public, so we have to deal with the public. The question is rather how
this should be done. Points I would like to discuss are:

-Is it true that only climate sceptics have political interests and
are potentially biased? If not, how can we deal with this?
-How should we deal with flaws inside the climate community? I think,
that "our" reaction on the errors found in Mike Mann's work were not
especially honest.
-How should we deal with popular science like the Al Gore movie?
-What is the difference between a "climate sceptic" and a "climate denier"?
-What should we do with/against exaggerations of the media?
-How do we avoid sounding religious or arrogant?
-Should we comment on the work/ideas of climate scepitics?

If you have got any further suggestions or do think, my points are not
interesting, please let me know in advance.

See you later,
Douglas
REDACTEDREDACTEDREDACTEDREDACTEDREDACTEDREDACTED
Dr. Douglas Maraun
Climatic Research Unit, University of East Anglia
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http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~douglas
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Old 11-24-2011, 08:43 PM   #222
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Sad to see. However, this is how the scientific community works; some people are assholes.

Just look at the recent scandal in the psychology community with the revelation that Stapel forged a huge amount of work.

In the case of Climategate, I still feel there is no need to throw the baby out with the bathwater just because it conveniently supports your political ideologies, though. The stink the U.S. conservative wing makes about it is clearly not intended to find any kind of scientific merit or move the research forward, and is so blatantly self-serving to their corporate support and interests it makes one want to club a seal vigorously.

I wonder if there are many conservatives who are actually interested in the scientific research and discussion, or if the entire thing is seen as winning moral points back against the left while conservative representatives couldn't give a flying fuck about science. Kind of amusing to watch the right grasp for some figurehead to demonize in the whole thing and they come up with Al Gore and his fucking boring movie about him standing on ladders and badly-rendered CGI globes. Please; this is amateur shit.

And then you have iron horse and INDY who gleefully post about "how about that global warming?" when it snows heavily in their towns. I can't decide if they're serious or just poking fun at those who ignore long-term trends in favour of what happened yesterday.
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I still want real studies but until this scandal is dealt with and skeptics are answered with good science I fear it will continue. I certainly would like something else to do with my time but the evidence of bias keeps piling on and piling on everyday and it looks worse and worse. Certainly new sciences like climatology and psychology are ripe with paradigm shifts whereas physics takes longer now to reach new understandings.

Man it just keeps coming:

BBC’s Kirby admission to Phil Jones on “impartiality” | Watts Up With That?

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Climategate 2.0 email 4894.txt shows just what Alex Kirby of BBC thinks of climate skeptics as he conveys it to Dr. Phil Jones. Clearly, there an incestuous relationship between climate science and the BBC.

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date: Wed Dec 8 08:25:30 2004
from: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.xx.xx>
subject: RE: something on new online.
to: “Alex Kirby” <alex.kirby@bbc.xxx.xx>

At 17:27 07/12/2004, you wrote:


Yes, glad you stopped this — I was sent it too, and decided to
spike it without more ado as pure stream-of-consciousness rubbish. I can
well understand your unhappiness at our running the other piece. But we
are constantly being savaged by the loonies for not giving them any
coverage at all, especially as you say with the COP in the offing, and
being the objective impartial (ho ho) BBC that we are, there is an
expectation in some quarters that we will every now and then let them
say something. I hope though that the weight of our coverage makes it
clear that we think they are talking through their hats.
—–Original Message—–

Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit

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h/t to WUWT reader “varco”. If I lived in the UK, I’d stop paying my BBC TV and radio license.

Here’s the Wikipedia bio on Kirby:

Alex Kirby is a British journalist, specializing in environmental issues. He worked in various capacities at the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) for nearly 20 years. From 1987 to 1996, he was the environmental correspondent for BBC News, in radio and television. He left the BBC in 1998 to work as a freelance journalist. He also provides media skills training to companies, universities and NGOs. He is also currently the environmental correspondent for BBC News Online, and hosted BBC Radio 4‘s environment series, Costing the Earth. He has no formal scientific training.

He writes a regular column for BBC Wildlife magazine.
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EPA sounds alarm on fracking in Wyoming - Dec. 9, 2011

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Old 12-09-2011, 09:24 PM   #225
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NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- The Environmental Protection Agency said this week that chemicals from "fracking," a controversial method of extracting natural gas from the ground, have polluted groundwater in Wyoming.

The findings represent the first time in the heated debate over fracking that the agency has drawn such a connection, which has long been claimed by environmental activists.

~from the link PhilsFan posted



I agree this concern should be addressed, but this does not relate to
what, I think, is the current myth of global warming.
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