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Old 10-08-2011, 08:32 PM   #166
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I think it easier to agree with the overwhelming consensus.

The fish swimming the wrong way are the ones in trouble
That really doesn't answer anything. It basically sounds like you're choosing a stance just for the sake of "going against the grain".

That's just dishonest rebellion.
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Old 10-08-2011, 08:50 PM   #167
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That really doesn't answer anything. It basically sounds like you're choosing a stance just for the sake of "going against the grain".

That's just dishonest rebellion.

No, if you think that then you have not read any of my posts where I have
stated my disbelief(and why) in global warming/climate change.



Today, we had a nice normal fall day in the South.

It was beautiful
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Old 10-08-2011, 10:29 PM   #168
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No, if you think that then you have not read any of my posts where I have
stated my disbelief(and why) in global warming/climate change.

Today, we had a nice normal fall day in the South.

It was beautiful
Oh I've read your posts and I've never seen anything convincing. I remember some blogs written by people who weren't scientists and some very questionable conspiracy theory type websites.
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I feel like I'm watching a Punch and Judy show on a distant planet.
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Old 10-08-2011, 10:32 PM   #170
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Oh I've read your posts and I've never seen anything convincing. I remember some blogs written by people who weren't scientists and some very questionable conspiracy theory type websites.

Well, I guess we can have a friendly disagreement.

Wishing you the best in weather to come
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Of course we can have friendly disagreement, but what I wish from you some day is compelling reasoning why. I don't think you've read the science on all sides and then came up with an answer.

Weather and climate are not the same, that's probably a good place to start in understanding this subject.
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Old 10-19-2011, 10:14 PM   #172
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Of course we can have friendly disagreement, but what I wish from you some day is compelling reasoning why. I don't think you've read the science on all sides and then came up with an answer.

Weather and climate are not the same, that's probably a good place to start in understanding this subject.



I have read both sides of this topic.


I don't believe Al Gore or the ones who agree with him.


It ain't happening.
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I have read both sides of this topic.


I don't believe Al Gore or the ones who agree with him.


It ain't happening.
Well, it's your right to go against the overwhelming majority in scientific opinion.

Al Gore has nothing to do with it, although I feel for you it might help to lump him in with Michael Moore and just flush it away as liberal Hollywood and hippy conservation bullshit.
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I have read both sides of this topic.

I don't believe Al Gore or the ones who agree with him.

It ain't happening.
If you have read the science then I don't think you understand it. You keep using weather and climate interchangeably, you post questionable websites, and you always bring up Gore. This is not a real understanding of the issue.

Show me real science and then we'll talk.
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I have read both sides of this topic.


I don't believe Al Gore or the ones who agree with him.


It ain't happening.
What if I were to tell you that you can make energy from your own crap?
Would you believe it?

Anaerobic digestion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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What if I were to tell you that you can make energy from your own crap?
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So kinda like the Human Centipede?
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I never expected that a guy like you would watch such a grotesque film, Canadiens.
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Global warming study finds no grounds for climate sceptics' concerns.
Independent investigation of the key issues sceptics claim can skew global warming figures reports that they have no real effect
Ian Sample, science correspondent
guardian.co.uk, Thursday 20 October 2011 18.50 BST

The world is getting warmer, countering the doubts of climate change sceptics about the validity of some of the scientific evidence, according to the most comprehensive independent review of historical temperature records to date.

Scientists at the University of California, Berkeley, found several key issues that sceptics claim can skew global warming figures had no meaningful effect.

The Berkeley Earth project compiled more than a billion temperature records dating back to the 1800s from 15 sources around the world and found that the average global land temperature has risen by around 1C since the mid-1950s.

This figure agrees with the estimate arrived at by major groups that maintain official records on the world's climate, including Nasa's Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York, the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (Noaa), and the Met Office's Hadley Centre, with the University of East Anglia, in the UK.

"My hope is that this will win over those people who are properly sceptical," Richard Muller, a physicist and head of the project, said.

"Some people lump the properly sceptical in with the deniers and that makes it easy to dismiss them, because the deniers pay no attention to science. But there have been people out there who have raised legitimate issues."

Muller sought to cool the debate over climate change by creating the largest open database of temperature records, with the aim of producing a transparent and independent assessment of global warming.

The initial reluctance of government groups to release all their methods and data, and the fiasco over emails from the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit in 2009, gave the project added impetus.

The team, which includes Saul Perlmutter, joint winner of this year's Nobel Prize in Physics for the discovery that the universe is expanding at an increasing rate, has submitted four papers to the journal Geophysical Research Letters that describe their work to date.

Going public with results before they are peer-reviewed is not standard practice, but Muller said the decision to circulate the papers before publication was part a long-standing academic tradition of sanity-checking results with colleagues.

"We will get much more feedback from making these papers public before publication," he said.

Climate sceptics have criticised official global warming figures on the grounds that many temperature stations are poor quality and that data are tweaked by hand.

However, the Berkeley study found that the so-called urban heat island effect, which makes cities warmer than surrounding rural areas, is locally large and real, but does not contribute significantly to average land temperature rises. This is because urban regions make up less than 1% of the Earth's land area. And while stations considered "poor" might be less accurate, they recorded the same average warming trend.

"We have looked at these issues in a straightforward, transparent way, and based on that, I would expect legitimate sceptics to feel their issues have been addressed," Muller said.

Nevertheless, one prominent US climate sceptic, Anthony Watts, claimed to have identified a "basic procedural error" concerning time periods used in the research, and urged the authors to revise the paper.

Jim Hansen, head of Nasa's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, said he had not read the research papers but was glad Muller was looking at the issue, describing him as "a top-notch physicist". "It should help inform those who have honest scepticism about global warming.

"Of course, presuming that he basically confirms what we have been reporting, the deniers will then decide that he is a crook or has some ulterior motive.

"As I have discussed in the past, the deniers, or contrarians, if you will, do not act as scientists, but rather as lawyers."

"As soon as they see evidence against their client (the fossil fuel industry and those people making money off business-as-usual), they trash that evidence and bring forth whatever tidbits they can find to confuse the judge and jury."

Peter Thorne at the Cooperative Institute for Climate and Satellites in North Carolina and chair of the International Surface Temperature Initiative, said: "This takes a very distinct approach to the problem and comes up with the same answer, and that builds confidence that pre-existing estimates are in the right ballpark. There is very substantial value in having multiple groups looking at the same problem in different ways.

"Openness and transparency is a must, particularly now with climate change being so politicised, but more to the point, with the huge socioeconomic decisions that rest on it."

Phil Jones, the director of the Climatic Research Unit at UEA who was at the centre of the Climategate incident, said: "I look forward to reading the finalised paper once it has been reviewed and published. These initial findings are very encouraging and echo our own results and our conclusion that the impact of urban heat islands on the overall global temperature is minimal."

The Berkeley Earth project has been attacked by some climate bloggers, who point out that one of the funders runs Koch Industries, a company Greenpeace called a "financial kingpin of climate science denial".

Muller points out the project is organised under the auspices of Novim, a Santa Barbara-based nonprofit organisation that uses science to find answers to the most pressing issues facing society and to publish them "without advocacy or agenda".

Other donors include the Fund for Innovative Climate and Energy Research (funded by Bill Gates), and the Department of Energy's Lawrence Berkeley Lab. The next phase of the project will focus on warming trends in the oceans.

Some scientists were critical of the project and Muller's decision to release the papers before they had been peer reviewed.

Peter Cox, professor of climate system dynamics at Exeter University said: "These studies seem to confirm the global warming estimated from the existing datasets, which is pleasing but not exactly a surprise to those of us who know how carefully the existing datasets are put together.

"It is surprising, however, that the authors believe that this news is so significant that they can't wait for peer review, especially when their conclusions aren't exactly revolutionary."
Amusing that this was partly funded by Koch Industries.
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This is their second study funded that I know of that backfired on them. The first one was pretty public because they soley funded it and they didn't want the findings published.

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