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Old 02-04-2014, 10:07 PM   #16
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Some people would like to impose their view of right & wrong on others. Even if I disagree with someone, I don't see the need to impose my views onto them
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Old 04-04-2014, 06:46 AM   #17
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It seems that most here view the political right as the 'thought conditioners' in society today.

I have many reason why I think it is the Left.

Here's a recent one:
Mozilla CEO Brendan Eich forced to resign for supporting traditional marriage laws | WashingtonExaminer.com
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Old 04-04-2014, 07:30 AM   #18
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Who are """"The Left""""?
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Old 04-04-2014, 07:48 AM   #19
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lol, he was forced to resign for 'supporting traditional marriage laws'? Rather than for opposing equal rights... of course, he could've stayed out of the whole situation as well, but yeah, damn those people wanting to give gays equal rights and for opposing public figures speaking out against it.

Though I don't really think he should've resigned, it's still quite questionable when you're the CEO of a huge company, making a program a lot of gay,straight,whatever people use, and then openly donate in favour of a discriminating law. Yeah, that doesn't go well down people's throats.



Also, can someone FINALLY explain to me what the hell this "The Left" and "The Right" are that Indy and TIH keep mentioning? Because I truly do not understand what it's supposed to mean.
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The Left - Obummer and co. Obamacare, gay agenda, freedom haters

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Ah okay, so it's a bit the political spectrum idea? Where left is the 'social' part and right more traditional or something? I think we sorta have a similar distribution here, though we never really talk about "the right" or "the left" or stuff like that. And yea, both right and left pretty much agree here on healthcare and gay marriage and everything. Except the hardcore christian party of course, but that was to be expected.

Kinda funny you put gay agenda and freedom haters in the same group. Freedom, yarr, but not for dem gayz.
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It seems that most here view the political right as the 'thought conditioners' in society today.



I have many reason why I think it is the Left.



Here's a recent one:

Mozilla CEO Brendan Eich forced to resign for supporting traditional marriage laws | WashingtonExaminer.com

Hahahaha this is such bullshit. I am on my phone so I want to ask the reliability of the Washington Examiner. It says "traditional marriage" in the title and "religious beliefs" in the article so I assume it is a fucking rag.
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Kinda funny you put gay agenda and freedom haters in the same group. Freedom, yarr, but not for dem gayz.
Well, they don't really make much sense to be fair.
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Old 04-04-2014, 09:18 AM   #24
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Hahahaha this is such bullshit. I am on my phone so I want to ask the reliability of the Washington Examiner. It says "traditional marriage" in the title and "religious beliefs" in the article so I assume it is a fucking rag.
He donated 10,000 dollar to the prop 8 support, according to the article.

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Well, they don't really make much sense to be fair.

I never really understand the need for people to put everthing in their own little box. Whatever happened to thinking outside the box? You don't have to be left or right to support certain beliefs or views, right? I have absolutely no clue where I would stand in the political spectrum. And frankly I don't really care, since it means virtually nothing.
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I'm going to go slightly against the grain here. I don't agree with Eich's beliefs at all, but is the answer to run anyone out of town who says things we don't like? As far as gay marriage, that war has been waged, and frankly, people like Eich already lost, despite their continued protestations. The tide has turned and their viewpoint is quickly turning into a minority one.

Do we pro-SSM people want to run everyone out of town/office/their job who doesn't agree with us? Is that progress?
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We're not running Joe from HR out of his job. We're not banning Cindy from down the block from joining the church group or the neighborhood committee. Hell, I worked with people who were against same-sex marriage. I got along with them fine. If they talked about it, I voiced my thoughts, attempted to correct blatant inaccuracies, and moved on with my day. I'm not worried about the shopworker. We're talking about CEO's of big-time companies no longer being able to wield political power on the wrong side of a right vs. wrong issue. I'm not thickheaded enough to think every issue is right vs. wrong (there are merits to many economic arguments even if I strongly disagree with many of those on the right), but I'm also not a droning centrist who insists every viewpoint has validity. There are issues where it's simply right vs. wrong. This is one of them.

As I hear of another bill being passed that only increases the ability for the extremely wealthy to dominate campaigns with their financing, frankly it's nice to see that something grassroots can accomplish something. People who donated to Prop 8 should be ashamed, and they should be brought into the light. We didn't force Mozilla to force him out. We objected to such a person (a person willing to spend money to deny people rights) holding an influential position, and they realized that it reflected poorly on them. There was no riot at the gates. Mozilla was not taken by force. People voiced their opinions, loudly and with clarity, and Mozilla got the message.

That the "war" has been lost doesn't change the major negative impacts of Prop 8's passing. Every day that such an injustice occurs is wrong, and should not be forgotten so easily simply because the courts eventually got around to righting the wrong. If you are against same-sex marriage, you are on the wrong side of a very simple issue. Get with it or get lost, I say.
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Do we pro-SSM people want to run everyone out of town/office/their job who doesn't agree with us? Is that progress?
In this particular instance, it's not so much "we" who are running anyone out of office, it is the way of the corporate world.

When Eich was appointed CEO, I think that half the Board quit. There was then subsequent pressure (from many sources, including the Board) for him to resign. The Board of a Corporation is entrusted with the stewardship of the corporation, the primary goal of which is to increase share value, and consequently profits, for the shareholders. A director has fiduciary duties and would be liable to shareholders for NOT taking action in an instance where some corporate action is decreasing the profitability or shareholder return of the corporation. So, for example, if you have negative publicity and you think that will hurt the bottom line, it's actually a correct step for the Board to take, to exert pressure re: resignation.
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So rather than this being a simple case of The Left's intolerance, this might be more accurately described as a company acting in its best financial interests.
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Pretty much the gold standard for corporations!
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Old 04-04-2014, 12:02 PM   #30
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Mozilla is actually a nonprofit (well, the Mozilla Corporation is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Mozilla Foundation, a 501(c)(3)). But that's not terribly relevant.

Regardless, one could argue that organizations like that dating website were being absurd by caring so much about SSM that they waged a semi-publicity campaign on Mozilla over their CEO not supporting it.
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