The South Rises Again

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They held a ball in Charleston South Carolina last week to celebrate the onset of the bloodiest war in U.S. history.
Men in frock coats and militia uniforms joined women in silk hoop skirts to sip mint juleps, as a band called “Unreconstructed” played “Dixie” and a squad of historical reenactors staged a replay of the Dec. 20, 1860 signing of South Carolina’s Ordinance of Secession, which severed ties with the Union and paved the way for the American Civil War.
The 150th anniversary of South Carolina’s secession is the first in a long list of Civil War memorials scheduled to be staged over the next four-and-a-half years that could end up re-opening old war wounds.
Festive and defiant, in character with the Old South, Charleston’s Secession Ball sparked a revival of an old debate about whether the most deadly conflict in U.S. history, which claimed a total of 620,000 lives, was fought over slavery or states’ rights.
It also has echoes of contemporary U.S. politics, where organizers of the ball — sounding like a collection of red state Republicans and Tea Party movement supporters, say it was “a way to honour the brave South Carolina men who stood up to an over-domineering federal government, high tariffs and northern states that wanted to take the country in an economic direction that was not best for the South.”
Critics, most of whom were black, stood outside in the cold during the ball, holding a candlelight vigil and signs that read “Don’t Celebrate Slavery and Terrorism.” They sang: “We Shall Overcome.”
“What would happen if Japanese-Americans decided to have a ball to celebrate Pearl Harbor?” demanded Rev. Nelson Rivers, pastor of the Charity Missionary Baptist Church in North Charleston. “Or if German-Americans celebrated the Holocaust?


I don't understand why some Southerners still get upset over losing the Civil War. It happened 150 years ago! Get over it! OK, so the South was destroyed for decades and only lately has it seen any economic growth. But why lament over losing the war? Your reasons for wanting secession - so you could continue slavery - were so wrong!

Are there any Southerners around here who could explain why some people over there still wish the South had won and got their way?

Also, it is interesting to see how the Civil War is still going on in terms of politics. The North votes democratic, while the South votes republican. Even when it comes to religion - as the South is more religious than the North - there's still a division.

Will there ever be closure?
 
I think with the current political issues in this country, we wouldn't see the closure in our lifetimes.
 
It also has echoes of contemporary U.S. politics, where organizers of the ball...say it was “a way to honour the brave South Carolina men who stood up to an over-domineering federal government, high tariffs and northern states that wanted to take the country in an economic direction that was not best for the South.”

Yeah, that pushy federal government, coming in and telling people that they had to change the way they ran things, gettin' rid of that cheap labor and all! It was so helpful to their economy!

Good lord...:doh:. I really shudder to think of how this war is taught in some schools down there.

On another note, it strikes me quite funny that the Republicans and Tea Partiers showing up at these things, who pride themselves on their supposed "patriotism", are celebrating an instance in history where a section of the country did perhaps the least patriotic thing imaginable, allowing this country to nearly be ripped apart at the seams. Their lack of consistency is ironically the most consistent thing about them :up:.

(ETA: It's also funny that it's Republicans celebrating this, 'cause, um, "overbearing federal government" guy Lincoln? Yeah, Republican)

I don't know how much longer this revisionist history will continue, but I sincerely hope it isn't for too much longer, 'cause this is beyond ridiculous.

Angela
 
I think with the current political issues in this country, we wouldn't see the closure in our lifetimes.

I think you're right. Each generation gets better but we still see too many young people here in fym still not get it to lead me to believe it's still going to take time...
 
That the Civil War was fought over "states rights" not slavery is a clumsy piece of sophistry.

The war was fought over states rights, the most contentious of which, was the right to have slavery if they chose.
 
As as lifetime Southerner (southeastern NC... only about 45min. from the SC line), I have never understood what was so wonderful about the 'old South' that we should aspire to return to it. I mean, sure - if you were a white male the old South was a grand place to be. Otherwise, it ranged from general suckiness to downright Hell.

I don't believe for one millisecond that if the South were to secede today that we'd be any better off in 5, 10 years than if the US were to stay whole. Specifically because I believe the 'grand old South' that so many of these revisionists fantasize about was built on the backs of slaves & the good ole boys who think they'd do a better job running their own country wouldn't be willing to put in the same amount of blood & sweat that was extracted to make the old South prosperous.

But then again, I'm just a woman. What the Hell would I know about such important matters? :doh: :slant:
 
The truth that history seems to forget is at how quick the North waged war.

There was no offer of negotiations or talk of a peace from President Lincoln.

The war was waged instantly on the South.


It was the dawning of the industrial revolution. Slavery had already been banned in most western countries. It was only a matter of time that it would have ended in the United States.


The sad truth about the American civil war is that so many died and suffered over a conflict that could have been eventually solved without bloodshed.


Busting Some Popular Myths About the Civil War - Associated Content from Yahoo! - associatedcontent.com
 
Fuck the South. If they want to return to their old ways, then I would be more than happy to shut off the federal infrastructure funding and aid they get from their "overbearing government" in the more profitable northeastern states.

Suck it, bitches.

What's that, you're sorry that you can't use the Interstate anymore? Too fucking bad. Federal money. Social Security too 'socialist' for all your old folks? Okay, go get a cashier job, grandma. Your bridge fell down? Didn't want to waste money on it, guys, when you don't seem to appreciate it. What's that, you want to drill off the coast? Okay, clean up your own mess, fuckheads.

Same stupidity as when people look back to the 1950s as the perfect, morals-based, pius, suburban society.
 
The truth that history seems to forget is at how quick the North waged war.

There was no offer of negotiations or talk of a peace from President Lincoln.

The war was waged instantly on the South.

1. Please explain what you mean by "war was waged instantly on the South." While I don't disagree with you re: Lincoln and peace negotiations I seem to be confused about the "instant war."

2. I have some issues with that Yahoo article.
 
2. I have some issues with that Yahoo article.

Just some?:wink:

Oh where to start?

First of all and this is for iron horse's sake for he has a hard time sometimes knowing his sources, this is a blog submission written by an anonymous source.

I'll start from the beginning... No one with the smallest bit of intelligence believes that slavery and racism only existed in the South. And you don't buy and own your extended family, you are fool to believe this, no most slaves were not treated as family.

Robert E Lee did in fact own slaves, they were inherited but it's up to debate as to how long.

"Granted, slavery was an issue." Well he at least got this part right.

But here's where he goes typical Civil War apologist:

They were simply using what they had, which was not considered wrong at the time. How would you like to be forever scorned for something you did that was not considered wrong at the time?

You(the Southern conservative) now speak very loudly as to how we're a "Christian" nation and yet you allow this bullshit to fly? You should be ashamed of yourself.

The last portion and explanation of how the North started the war is a joke.



iron horse, you say reading is fun. You should start reading some more legitimate sources. It's even more fun, when it's based on fact.
 
The truth that history seems to forget is at how quick the North waged war.

There was no offer of negotiations or talk of a peace from President Lincoln.

The war was waged instantly on the South.


It was the dawning of the industrial revolution. Slavery had already been banned in most western countries. It was only a matter of time that it would have ended in the United States.


The sad truth about the American civil war is that so many died and suffered over a conflict that could have been eventually solved without bloodshed.


Busting Some Popular Myths About the Civil War - Associated Content from Yahoo! - associatedcontent.com

Oh dear.

Secession essentially was an act of war. Peace negotiations would have been only possible if the North was willing to recognize the legitimacy of the Confederacy. Lincoln could have avoided secession. . .by not getting elected president.

Perhaps the conflict could have been ended without bloodshed eventually. . .all the evidence suggest Lincoln would have preferred that, but there were a lot of hawks eager for war on both sides that prevented that from happening.

I really can't believe that poorly written article is serving as an actual source. I like to think I know a lot about the Civil War too but you won't find my posts online posing as some sort of authority!
 
agreed, it is a poorly written article. i had to stop reading when i got to "Why would someone purchase a $200,000 piece of farm equipment and then later beat up on it? Most slaves were treated as a kind of extended family. Also, the North had slaves." it's like lol okay the north did too so it makes slavery just peachy keen! there's enough wrong with these three sentences, i honestly can't waste my time reading the rest.

also, there were 110 days between south carolina seceding on 12/24/1860 and the first hostility on 4/12/1861 (which was the confederate forces attack the union, to boot). i wouldn't exactly call nearly 1/3rd a year "quick", but okay. i wonder what iron horse thinks of the period of time between the pearl harbor attacks and the us entering world war 2 - one day! talk about a knee-jerk reaction!
 
What's sad is that this is how it's kept alive.

I've seen it first hand.

Kids are taught by their parents that this(this "article") is how it really happened, it was the North's fault, slavery wasn't as bad as the movies show it, blah blah blah. And then they go on to teach their kids that the history books lie because they are regulated by the government.

Any of this sounding familiar? It's a vicious cycle.
 
What's that, you're sorry that you can't use the Interstate anymore? Too fucking bad. Federal money. Social Security too 'socialist' for all your old folks? Okay, go get a cashier job, grandma. Your bridge fell down? Didn't want to waste money on it, guys, when you don't seem to appreciate it. What's that, you want to drill off the coast? Okay, clean up your own mess, fuckheads.

Don't forget the annual deluge of hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, hail and other assorted natural disasters the feds end up paying to clean up down there.
 
The first myth of the Civil War is that the South hated black people. The South was supposedly the only group that allegedly enslaved, tortured, beat, and starved black people. This is not true. Slaves cost, in today's dollars, up to around $100,000-$200,000. Why would someone purchase a $200,000 piece of farm equipment and then later beat up on it? Most slaves were treated as a kind of extended family.


This information needs to get out there.
 
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