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Old 12-26-2010, 10:55 PM   #1
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They held a ball in Charleston South Carolina last week to celebrate the onset of the bloodiest war in U.S. history.
Men in frock coats and militia uniforms joined women in silk hoop skirts to sip mint juleps, as a band called “Unreconstructed” played “Dixie” and a squad of historical reenactors staged a replay of the Dec. 20, 1860 signing of South Carolina’s Ordinance of Secession, which severed ties with the Union and paved the way for the American Civil War.
The 150th anniversary of South Carolina’s secession is the first in a long list of Civil War memorials scheduled to be staged over the next four-and-a-half years that could end up re-opening old war wounds.
Festive and defiant, in character with the Old South, Charleston’s Secession Ball sparked a revival of an old debate about whether the most deadly conflict in U.S. history, which claimed a total of 620,000 lives, was fought over slavery or states’ rights.
It also has echoes of contemporary U.S. politics, where organizers of the ball — sounding like a collection of red state Republicans and Tea Party movement supporters, say it was “a way to honour the brave South Carolina men who stood up to an over-domineering federal government, high tariffs and northern states that wanted to take the country in an economic direction that was not best for the South.”
Critics, most of whom were black, stood outside in the cold during the ball, holding a candlelight vigil and signs that read “Don’t Celebrate Slavery and Terrorism.” They sang: “We Shall Overcome.”
“What would happen if Japanese-Americans decided to have a ball to celebrate Pearl Harbor?” demanded Rev. Nelson Rivers, pastor of the Charity Missionary Baptist Church in North Charleston. “Or if German-Americans celebrated the Holocaust?


I don't understand why some Southerners still get upset over losing the Civil War. It happened 150 years ago! Get over it! OK, so the South was destroyed for decades and only lately has it seen any economic growth. But why lament over losing the war? Your reasons for wanting secession - so you could continue slavery - were so wrong!

Are there any Southerners around here who could explain why some people over there still wish the South had won and got their way?

Also, it is interesting to see how the Civil War is still going on in terms of politics. The North votes democratic, while the South votes republican. Even when it comes to religion - as the South is more religious than the North - there's still a division.

Will there ever be closure?
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Will there ever be closure?
Yes, it will be slow, but one day this will not be an issue...
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I think with the current political issues in this country, we wouldn't see the closure in our lifetimes.
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It also has echoes of contemporary U.S. politics, where organizers of the ball...say it was “a way to honour the brave South Carolina men who stood up to an over-domineering federal government, high tariffs and northern states that wanted to take the country in an economic direction that was not best for the South.”
Yeah, that pushy federal government, coming in and telling people that they had to change the way they ran things, gettin' rid of that cheap labor and all! It was so helpful to their economy!

Good lord.... I really shudder to think of how this war is taught in some schools down there.

On another note, it strikes me quite funny that the Republicans and Tea Partiers showing up at these things, who pride themselves on their supposed "patriotism", are celebrating an instance in history where a section of the country did perhaps the least patriotic thing imaginable, allowing this country to nearly be ripped apart at the seams. Their lack of consistency is ironically the most consistent thing about them .

(ETA: It's also funny that it's Republicans celebrating this, 'cause, um, "overbearing federal government" guy Lincoln? Yeah, Republican)

I don't know how much longer this revisionist history will continue, but I sincerely hope it isn't for too much longer, 'cause this is beyond ridiculous.

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I think with the current political issues in this country, we wouldn't see the closure in our lifetimes.
I think you're right. Each generation gets better but we still see too many young people here in fym still not get it to lead me to believe it's still going to take time...
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It happened 150 years ago! Get over it!
this is pretty much my thoughts on the whole thing.
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Some hobbies go over my head.
Unfortunately it goes beyond "hobby" for many...
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That the Civil War was fought over "states rights" not slavery is a clumsy piece of sophistry.

The war was fought over states rights, the most contentious of which, was the right to have slavery if they chose.
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Each generation gets better but we still see too many young people here in fym still not get it to lead me to believe it's still going to take time...
Still not get what?
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As as lifetime Southerner (southeastern NC... only about 45min. from the SC line), I have never understood what was so wonderful about the 'old South' that we should aspire to return to it. I mean, sure - if you were a white male the old South was a grand place to be. Otherwise, it ranged from general suckiness to downright Hell.

I don't believe for one millisecond that if the South were to secede today that we'd be any better off in 5, 10 years than if the US were to stay whole. Specifically because I believe the 'grand old South' that so many of these revisionists fantasize about was built on the backs of slaves & the good ole boys who think they'd do a better job running their own country wouldn't be willing to put in the same amount of blood & sweat that was extracted to make the old South prosperous.

But then again, I'm just a woman. What the Hell would I know about such important matters?
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Still not get what?
What the Civil War was really about, the long term effects of slavery and racism in this country, and there are even a few who don't even understand what racism truly is...
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The truth that history seems to forget is at how quick the North waged war.

There was no offer of negotiations or talk of a peace from President Lincoln.

The war was waged instantly on the South.


It was the dawning of the industrial revolution. Slavery had already been banned in most western countries. It was only a matter of time that it would have ended in the United States.


The sad truth about the American civil war is that so many died and suffered over a conflict that could have been eventually solved without bloodshed.


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Case and point...
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