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Old 12-27-2010, 11:19 PM   #16
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Fuck the South. If they want to return to their old ways, then I would be more than happy to shut off the federal infrastructure funding and aid they get from their "overbearing government" in the more profitable northeastern states.

Suck it, bitches.

What's that, you're sorry that you can't use the Interstate anymore? Too fucking bad. Federal money. Social Security too 'socialist' for all your old folks? Okay, go get a cashier job, grandma. Your bridge fell down? Didn't want to waste money on it, guys, when you don't seem to appreciate it. What's that, you want to drill off the coast? Okay, clean up your own mess, fuckheads.

Same stupidity as when people look back to the 1950s as the perfect, morals-based, pius, suburban society.
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Old 12-27-2010, 11:46 PM   #17
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The truth that history seems to forget is at how quick the North waged war.

There was no offer of negotiations or talk of a peace from President Lincoln.

The war was waged instantly on the South.
1. Please explain what you mean by "war was waged instantly on the South." While I don't disagree with you re: Lincoln and peace negotiations I seem to be confused about the "instant war."

2. I have some issues with that Yahoo article.
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Old 12-28-2010, 12:12 AM   #18
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2. I have some issues with that Yahoo article.
Just some?

Oh where to start?

First of all and this is for iron horse's sake for he has a hard time sometimes knowing his sources, this is a blog submission written by an anonymous source.

I'll start from the beginning... No one with the smallest bit of intelligence believes that slavery and racism only existed in the South. And you don't buy and own your extended family, you are fool to believe this, no most slaves were not treated as family.

Robert E Lee did in fact own slaves, they were inherited but it's up to debate as to how long.

"Granted, slavery was an issue." Well he at least got this part right.

But here's where he goes typical Civil War apologist:

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They were simply using what they had, which was not considered wrong at the time. How would you like to be forever scorned for something you did that was not considered wrong at the time?
You(the Southern conservative) now speak very loudly as to how we're a "Christian" nation and yet you allow this bullshit to fly? You should be ashamed of yourself.

The last portion and explanation of how the North started the war is a joke.



iron horse, you say reading is fun. You should start reading some more legitimate sources. It's even more fun, when it's based on fact.
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Old 12-28-2010, 09:00 AM   #19
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The truth that history seems to forget is at how quick the North waged war.

There was no offer of negotiations or talk of a peace from President Lincoln.

The war was waged instantly on the South.


It was the dawning of the industrial revolution. Slavery had already been banned in most western countries. It was only a matter of time that it would have ended in the United States.


The sad truth about the American civil war is that so many died and suffered over a conflict that could have been eventually solved without bloodshed.


Busting Some Popular Myths About the Civil War - Associated Content from Yahoo! - associatedcontent.com
Oh dear.

Secession essentially was an act of war. Peace negotiations would have been only possible if the North was willing to recognize the legitimacy of the Confederacy. Lincoln could have avoided secession. . .by not getting elected president.

Perhaps the conflict could have been ended without bloodshed eventually. . .all the evidence suggest Lincoln would have preferred that, but there were a lot of hawks eager for war on both sides that prevented that from happening.

I really can't believe that poorly written article is serving as an actual source. I like to think I know a lot about the Civil War too but you won't find my posts online posing as some sort of authority!
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Old 12-28-2010, 09:25 AM   #20
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agreed, it is a poorly written article. i had to stop reading when i got to "Why would someone purchase a $200,000 piece of farm equipment and then later beat up on it? Most slaves were treated as a kind of extended family. Also, the North had slaves." it's like lol okay the north did too so it makes slavery just peachy keen! there's enough wrong with these three sentences, i honestly can't waste my time reading the rest.

also, there were 110 days between south carolina seceding on 12/24/1860 and the first hostility on 4/12/1861 (which was the confederate forces attack the union, to boot). i wouldn't exactly call nearly 1/3rd a year "quick", but okay. i wonder what iron horse thinks of the period of time between the pearl harbor attacks and the us entering world war 2 - one day! talk about a knee-jerk reaction!
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What's sad is that this is how it's kept alive.

I've seen it first hand.

Kids are taught by their parents that this(this "article") is how it really happened, it was the North's fault, slavery wasn't as bad as the movies show it, blah blah blah. And then they go on to teach their kids that the history books lie because they are regulated by the government.

Any of this sounding familiar? It's a vicious cycle.
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Old 12-28-2010, 01:24 PM   #22
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What's that, you're sorry that you can't use the Interstate anymore? Too fucking bad. Federal money. Social Security too 'socialist' for all your old folks? Okay, go get a cashier job, grandma. Your bridge fell down? Didn't want to waste money on it, guys, when you don't seem to appreciate it. What's that, you want to drill off the coast? Okay, clean up your own mess, fuckheads.
Don't forget the annual deluge of hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, hail and other assorted natural disasters the feds end up paying to clean up down there.
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EDIT: Nevermind, I see what I missed now. Carry on.
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This sounds like the Kappa Alpha fraternity old south ball.

http://www.wltx.com/news/story.aspx?...=86610&catid=2
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The first myth of the Civil War is that the South hated black people. The South was supposedly the only group that allegedly enslaved, tortured, beat, and starved black people. This is not true. Slaves cost, in today's dollars, up to around $100,000-$200,000. Why would someone purchase a $200,000 piece of farm equipment and then later beat up on it? Most slaves were treated as a kind of extended family.

This information needs to get out there.
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