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Old 04-30-2013, 05:45 PM   #1
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The Religion of Peace?

Interesting new study illustrating religious attitudes in Muslim countries. Most notably, the percentage that support the death penalty for apostasy. I can't help but roll my eyes when people trot out the old "Most Muslims feel the same way about Islamic fundamentalists and Christians do about the Westboro Baptist Church". No. It's an inherently violent religion and the vast majority in a number of countries support its backward beliefs

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I have many, many Muslim friends, and have never had any issues with anyone practising that religion. I have also attended Friday prayers at a mosque as an observer on a couple of occasions. The vast majority are great people and no one will ever convince me otherwise.

It's important to make a distinction, in my opinion, between the religion one practises and the environment they live in. That means that a lot of the places in the world with issues of Islamic extremism also have totalitarian regimes. That environment, and not the religion, often helps foment extreme violence.
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The environment is shaped by the religion. The ones calling for death to apostates are only following their rule of religious law.
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Your well documented stance on religion precludes any chance at having a reasonable discussion on this topic.
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Well documented, indeed; The numbers are there
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I will say that to me there seems to be more backwards views and extremism in Islam than in Christianity. But the Muslims that I know are wonderful people.

Environment probably has a lot to do with it.
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Old 04-30-2013, 07:25 PM   #7
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You don't think there is a correlation between the kinds of people who would want to move to a more secular society and the lack of fundamentalism? Obviously the numbers will be skewed.
But the fact is, we've got a highly religious society, with a book that states apostates should be put to death, and a large majority of the population that agrees with that, yet we want to blame the environment and not the religion? A little disingenuous
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Dawkins has tweeted about that very subject. It's very scary.
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That's where I came across the link
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This will be an interesting thread to watch and read.



My first thoughts brought this to mind:


"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."

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Would it be any different if it were a Christian theocracy? Is it the fault of the religion, or using the religion as the governing body?
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Is it the fault of the religion, or using the religion as the governing body?
It's people's willingness to get duped into believing a religion that they'd let govern their country. Luckily, as a whole, we're not so ignorant in the 'west'. But I would say, yes, if religion had a strangle hold on our society as it does on theirs, there wouldn't be much difference (as history shows us), but we don't live 1000 years ago and the majority of humanity has progressed from savagery
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It's people's willingness to get duped into believing a religion that they'd let govern their country. Luckily, as a whole, we're not so ignorant in the 'west'. But I would say, yes, if religion had a strangle hold on our society as it does on theirs, there wouldn't be much difference (as history shows us), but we don't live 1000 years ago and the majority of humanity has progressed from savagery
But if economics were different, where would we be? Economics will effect education, which effects access to information which can breed a "willingness to get duped". So I'm not sure why you dismiss environment.

I doubt that you'll find many well educated worldly folks joining the Westboro Baptist Church.
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So what needs to happen? I don't want to get involved in every Muslim country. But there are severe human right issues. Especially women's rights.

I somehow doubt if women had more rights, more power, etc in their societies it wouldn't be so bat shit crazy and backwards
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But if economics were different, where would we be? Economics will effect education, which effects access to information which can breed a "willingness to get duped". So I'm not sure why you dismiss environment.

I doubt that you'll find many well educated worldly folks joining the Westboro Baptist Church.
I dismiss environment because it's all there in the book they're taking their lead from. No verses about killing apostates, stoning gays, chopping off adulterer's heads, and we wouldn't be having this discussion. Environment and religion aren't so neatly divided. People need to stop making excuses for shitty belief systems in the name of correctness
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