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Old 05-17-2013, 04:54 PM   #286
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If you want to drink and argue, I suggest absinthe.
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Old 05-17-2013, 08:24 PM   #287
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It might help changing your overall style in FYM at least. It wouldn't be dishonest to try to be more patient with people who don't share your viewpoint.

I mean, what incentive is there for someone with a different position than you to engage you in discussion about religion if you're just going to shoot them down, insult their intelligence and call their belief system bullshit?

It's a shitty way to treat others. Probably because you don't have a good set of religious morals.



I have been reading the replies on this thread for the past thirty minutes or so. Your comment stopped me.

You suggest that Jive Turkey changes his style?

What style? Why is he guilty of something by trying to stick to his point?

Does "Change your style" mean he should kiss up to all negative comments and we all just agree that all opinions are equal and valid?

I guess we should all just hold hands and sing "We are the World."




"It's a shitty way to treat others."

To me, it seems he's the one that the crap is being thrown at.
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Old 05-17-2013, 10:20 PM   #288
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Yes, that's exactly what I was suggesting, IH.


Thanks for cutting to the heart of it so deftly.
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Old 05-26-2013, 10:10 PM   #289
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Old 05-28-2013, 10:14 AM   #290
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I came across this Carl Sagan quote that I think is useful to post. I'm putting it here because we've discussed challenging beliefs, whether religion is more personal than politics, and overall, we had a good debate here:


All of us cherish our beliefs. They are, to a degree, self-defining. When someone comes along who challenges our belief system as insufficiently well-based - or who, like Socrates, merely asks embarrassing questions that we haven't thought of, or demonstrates that we've swept key underlying assumptions under the rug - it becomes much more than a search for knowledge. It feels like a personal assault.

I'm not looking to justify my overreaction earlier by posting this. I know I'm prone to losing it due to being overly suspicious of others because half my brain is elsewhere. But I do think we all should be aware of how others may react when we challenge their beliefs. Yes, some beliefs - political, religious, lifestyle - may seem bizarre, irrational and even dangerous to some. But do we really need to lash out at them? Granted, I feel like strangling some conservatives when I hear their rhetoric, but what good does that do? But if we are to have a debate on what works for society and even the world, perhaps a little emotional/social intelligence may be best if we ever want to get anywhere. I am also not saying we are responsible for everyone else's reactions and behavior. It's a delicate balance, obviously.

Anyway, just a food for thought.
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Good post, Pearl
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Old 05-28-2013, 11:16 PM   #292
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I am so confused and rather upset at he moment.
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Old 05-28-2013, 11:29 PM   #293
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Good post, Cactus Annie
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Old 05-28-2013, 11:42 PM   #294
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Old 05-28-2013, 11:59 PM   #295
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A few months ago I found a blog from Google after typing in can atheists believe in spirituality. I came across one good website, which I also found just now, but there's one that I can no longer find the blog where an atheist described themselves as believing in the human spirit and souls, then someone claimed this to be pantheism. I've had to click through various sites until I got fed up and depressed. I am terribly confused by what people's definition of 'spirituality' means. This is what my computer's dictionary says:

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spiritual |ˈspiri ch oōəl|
adjective
1 of, relating to, or affecting the human spirit or soul as opposed to material or physical things : I'm responsible for his spiritual welfare | the spiritual values of life.
• (of a person) not concerned with material values or pursuits.
2 of or relating to religion or religious belief : Iran's spiritual leader.
Spirituality as a noun.
So when that man who I was speaking to claims he is an atheist, yet he believes in spirituality as he describes as the 'arts' (I think that means emotional side of things), and then quotes Harold Pinter when he said that human's are half ape half angel, then he could believe in human spirits as well? Or what?
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half ape and half heavenly being, that would be Jesus of Nazareth

the rest of us, are all ape.
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I think the quote refers to man being at a state in between ape (their previous incarnation) and angel (their next incarnation). Maybe I got that interpretation wrong.

I had to search for who Harold Pinter was . I'm definitely not as cultured as he is that's for sure. That's the guy I know, not Harold Pinter.
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Old 05-29-2013, 12:21 AM   #298
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Atheists can be spiritual. Sagan talks a great deal about it. As does Harris. Spirituality needn't be supernatural
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I thought this article was compelling in that it shows how any religion can spawn extremism under certain influences:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/21/wo...emc=rss&src=ig
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It doesn't say that in the Dictionary, only on Wikipedia, which in terms of accuracy isn't as reliable.

spiritualism |ˈspiri ch oōəˌlizəm|
noun
1 a system of belief or religious practice based on supposed communication with the spirits of the dead, esp. through mediums.
2 Philosophy the doctrine that the spirit exists as distinct from matter, or that spirit is the only reality.

From my computer's dictionary. I don't trust it as much as the heavy Chambers English Dictionary on my bookshelf, but I can't be arsed to get it right now.

According to Wikipedia atheism is compatible with neo-Paganism, Jainism and Buddhism. I don't know what Jainism is , it's another thing I need to look up. My friend doesn't believe in Christianity, yet she's into Wicca.

A book I found in our shop: The Violence Of God & The War On Terror, by Jeremy Young, who's an Anglican Priest believe it or not. He argues that the image of God encourages violence.
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