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Old 10-23-2010, 08:15 PM   #511
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Bush suggested allowing individuals to invest up to TWO percent of their Social Security payroll taxes in privately controlled equity accounts. Wow that is so radical! That means the government would have only been allowed to control 98 percent--instead of 100 percent--of our social security funds. We wouldn't want that now would we?

2% really ?

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The president plans to ask Congress to allow younger Americans to put at least one-third of the 6.2 percent payroll tax into private accounts, which will offer a set number of investment options similar to the thrift savings plans provided to federal workers. The administration has also signaled that it will propose changing the formula that sets initial Social Security benefit levels, cutting promised benefits by nearly a third in the coming decades.

With resistance hardening among congressional Republicans, the White House is escalating efforts to get Social Security restructured this year. There will be campaign-style events to win support and precision targeting of districts where lawmakers could face reelection difficulties. As Republicans signaled earlier, they have begun hard-hitting television ads to discredit opponents and prop up the Bush plan.
1/3 of 6.2 % is about 2 %

1/3 does not equal 1/50 or 2% (2/100)

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A starting point is a plan proposed by a presidential commission in 2001 that would divert 2% of workers' payroll taxes into private accounts. The remaining 4.2% — and the Social Security taxes employers pay — would go into the system, helping fund benefits for current retirees. That leaves a shortfall of at least $2 trillion to continue funding benefits for those current retirees.
Social Security Push to Tap the GOP Faithful (washingtonpost.com)



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Is that what he wanted though?

yes, he, Dick Cheney, and Rove wanted to privatized SS. Absolutely.

Bush moves to privatize Social Security
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Old 10-24-2010, 03:15 PM   #512
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I don't see it as a big deal then, if he never actually made plans.
Republicans are STILL talking about it, it's part of the party's platform. Many conservatives want this, but they just don't have the ability to see the big picture. They can't see beyond their own wallets.
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Old 11-02-2010, 11:23 PM   #513
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Bush's book, "Decision Points," is full of anecdotes and behind-the-scenes details of eight eventful years that began with the Sept. 11 in 2001 attacks and ended with an economic meltdown in which "I felt like the captain of a sinking ship."

Bush wrote of many errors involving the Iraq campaign and the failure to find weapons of mass destruction there, despite numerous intelligence reports pointing to their existence.

"No one was more shocked or angry than I was when we didn't find the weapons. I had a sickening feeling every time I thought about it. I still do," Bush writes.

The book includes the revelation that the controversial Cheney had volunteered to step down in 2003 so Bush could pick someone else as his 2004 campaign running mate.

Bush wrote that he considered the offer, writing that while Cheney "helped with important parts of our base, he had become a lightning rod for criticism from the media and the left."

While Bush did not like Cheney's image as described by critics, accepting his resignation offer would help "demonstrate that I was in charge," he writes.

Bush said he talked to aides about asking Republican Senator Bill Frist to run with him instead of Cheney, but ultimately stuck with Cheney because he valued his steady hand.
I still think W was the worst President ever.

But after I read that, if he sent Cheney packing in 2003 and replaced his with Bill Frist, I can't help but think things would not have been near as bad.
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Apparently he's pissed at Kanye too...
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Old 11-03-2010, 12:11 AM   #515
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Try as I might I just can't tar Dubya Bush as pure evil.

He's a weak man; a weak, weak, buffoon of a man. Allowed those around him to wield all the power, come up with a legal explanation and excuse for the U.S. Government to torture prisoners, mismanaged disasters...good times everybody!

I almost pity him. It's like the presidency was a speeding freight train and he was struggling to hold onto the back rail of the caboose, while other people were in the engine setting the pace.
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I don't, never hated him

But, I still think his was the worse Presidency, ever.

reading that, it almost makes me a little upset, that there was talk of changing course as early as 2003, and he didn't do it.
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Try as I might I just can't tar Dubya Bush as pure evil.

He's a weak man; a weak, weak, buffoon of a man. Allowed those around him to wield all the power, come up with a legal explanation and excuse for the U.S. Government to torture prisoners, mismanaged disasters...good times everybody!

I almost pity him. It's like the presidency was a speeding freight train and he was struggling to hold onto the back rail of the caboose, while other people were in the engine setting the pace.
I know he's not evil, I've always said he wasn't. He was a not stupid but not bright man who realized quickly what he needed to do to get elected. The man ran a good campaign, that is for sure. Unfortunately, he surrounded himself with malicious, controlling people, and he didn't have that edge to him that they did, so they called the shots. Weak is a good word. Or indifferent even. I don't think he really cared all that much, honestly. I think Rove and Cheney told him things that didn't sound too unreasonable, so he just went with it.

I don't feel pity for him and never will, though. Being weak or indifferent isn't a defense, it's an indictment.
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He better not go on a book tour, because no one would show up.
that's a silly statement.
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Old 11-03-2010, 04:44 PM   #519
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YouTube - 2010 World Series Game 4 - President George W. Bush Throws Out First Pitch

I don't think Jimmy Carter would have this type of a reception/welcome at a Alanta Braves (if they were playing) world series event.

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Talking about someones legacy so soon after they left office really shows how much of an a.d.d. culture we've become.
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and posting a thread about it is even more troubling, but all one can do is attempt to bring equilibrium into a lopsided discussion.
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People like Dubya. Seems like a nice guy to have a beer with. I might cheer him riding around on a riding cart after a few beers too, because I really like those baseball stadium riding carts.

Anyway, nice guy, bad president.

Speaking of ex-presidents, I doubt Dubya will be as literate and productive as Carter in his post POTUS career Does anyone know if he has kept the ranch he picked up when he adopted that "cowboy" image to run for political office?
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Bringing up a 5 month old post seems like you're trying to get a rise out of a moderator, by definition you're trolling.
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Bringing up a 5 month old post seems like you're trying to get a rise out of a moderator, by definition you're trolling.
No, the thread was on the first page and I was reviewing the last few pages to bring me up to speed.

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