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Old 10-29-2009, 07:09 PM   #406
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And am I left to believe that you think the government can my spend money on things more worthy to me than I can?


yes.

unless you can build your own bridges, roads, schools, stealth bombers, etc.

there are many problem that only government has the organizational capacity to address, charity and being a nice person only goes so far.

the government is simply a tool, it's neither inherently good nor bad. in some situations, it's the best tool, in others it's not.
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Old 11-25-2009, 04:17 PM   #407
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Can we blame it all on Bush? Some will of course but not me. No getting around it being a shitty* decade however.



*except for 3 U2 albums and tours, a Colts Super Bowl and maybe something else that I'll think of.
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Old 11-25-2009, 04:27 PM   #408
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Has this decade been so shitty compared to others?
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Old 11-25-2009, 04:29 PM   #409
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Has this decade been so shitty compared to others?
i doubt it. it's just more recent (well, duh).
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Old 11-25-2009, 06:02 PM   #410
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Has this decade been so shitty compared to others?
Couldn't have been worse than the sixties.
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Can we blame it all on Bush? Some will of course but not me.
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Old 11-30-2009, 01:28 PM   #412
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here's something we can blame on Bush:


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Rumsfeld decision allowed Bin Laden to escape: Senate report

by Andrew Gully
Sun Nov 29, 3:07 pm ET

WASHINGTON (AFP) – Osama bin Laden was "within the grasp" of US forces in late 2001 but escaped because then-defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld rejected calls for reinforcements, a US Senate report says.

Dated for release Monday, the hard-hitting study comes as President Barack Obama prepares to announce a major escalation of the Afghan conflict, now in its ninth year, with the expected deployment of some 34,000 more US troops.

It points the finger directly at Rumsfeld for turning down requests for reinforcements as Bin Laden was trapped in December 2001 in caves and tunnels in a mountainous area of eastern Afghanistan known as Tora Bora.

"The vast array of American military power, from sniper teams to the most mobile divisions of the marine corps and the army, was kept on the sidelines," the report says.
"Instead, the US command chose to rely on airstrikes and untrained Afghan militias to attack Bin Laden and on Pakistan's loosely organized Frontier Corps to seal his escape routes."

Entitled "Tora Bora revisited: how we failed to get Bin Laden and why it matters today," the report commissioned by Senator John Kerry, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, says Bin Laden expected to die and had even written a will.
"But the Al-Qaeda leader would live to fight another day. Fewer than 100 American commandos were on the scene with their Afghan allies and calls for reinforcements to launch an assault were rejected.

"Requests were also turned down for US troops to block the mountain paths leading to sanctuary a few miles away in Pakistan.

"The decision not to deploy American forces to go after Bin Laden or block his escape was made by Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and his top commander, General Tommy Franks," the report says.

"On or around December 16, two days after writing his will, Bin Laden and an entourage of bodyguards walked unmolested out of Tora Bora and disappeared into Pakistan's unregulated tribal area. Most analysts say he is still there today."
Rumsfeld's argument at the time, the report says, was that deploying too many American troops could jeopardize the mission by creating an anti-US backlash among the local populace.

The report, which Kerry says in a foreword "relies on new and existing information," dismisses statements from Franks, Vice President Dick Cheney and others defending the decision and arguing that the intelligence was inconclusive about Bin Laden's location.

"The review of existing literature, unclassified government records and interviews with central participants underlying this report removes any lingering doubts and makes it clear that Osama bin Laden was within our grasp at Tora Bora."

The report admits that capturing or killing the Al-Qaeda leader, accused of orchestrating the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States that killed nearly 3,000 people, would not have eliminated the worldwide extremist threat.

"But the decisions that opened the door for his escape to Pakistan allowed Bin Laden to emerge as a potent symbolic figure who continues to attract a steady flow of money and inspire fanatics worldwide," it says.

"The failure to finish the job represents a lost opportunity that forever altered the course of the conflict in Afghanistan and the future of international terrorism, leaving the American people more vulnerable to terrorism, laying the foundation for today's protracted Afghan insurgency and inflaming the internal strife now endangering Pakistan."

Kerry points out at the beginning of the report that when the United States went to war less than one month after the September 11 attacks, the mission was clear: to destroy Al-Qaeda and kill or capture Bin Laden.

"Today, more than eight years later, we find ourselves fighting an increasingly lethal insurgency in Afghanistan and neighboring Pakistan that is led by many of those same extremists," he says.

"Our inability to finish the job in late 2001 has contributed to a conflict today that endangers not just our troops and those of our allies, but the stability of a volatile and vital region."
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here's something we can blame on Bush:
I've heard similar stories from those that were in the region at the time. Very unfortunate.
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Definitely not. The fact that I don't have to look at that smirking moron's face every day anymore is one of the greatest blessings of my life.
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here's something we can blame on Bush:
That's depressing but certainly not shocking coming from that administration. Bin Laden could've been standing 20 feet from him, and Bush still would've let him get away because he of his unnecessary obsession with Saddam.
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here's something we can blame on Bush:
Daddy didn't have a long-standing feud with Osama.
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