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Old 07-16-2011, 02:36 PM   #31
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where did you find all those quotes, Nathan?

(they seem quite obsessed with buggery)
Like I said, a friend has been doing a documentary on this issue for the past several years. She's got a lot of interview material. Additionally, there are a number of ex-porn stars who are trying to speak out on issues of safety and abuse, who have created web sites, speak at conferences, even a few who still go to AdultCons etc with booths to try to create awareness around the lack of safety and abuse that is rampant in the industry.
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Like I said, a friend has been doing a documentary on this issue for the past several years. She's got a lot of interview material. Additionally, there are a number of ex-porn stars who are trying to speak out on issues of safety and abuse, who have created web sites, speak at conferences, even a few who still go to AdultCons etc with booths to try to create awareness around the lack of safety and abuse that is rampant in the industry.


i know your friend is doing a doc on the subject, but was there a website where you pulled those quotes? and if so, could you link?

what kind of groups do these ex-porn stars speak to?
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Old 07-16-2011, 05:50 PM   #33
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i know your friend is doing a doc on the subject, but was there a website where you pulled those quotes? and if so, could you link?
Kristin forwarded me the quotes; she's been working with a variety of different stars and has gathered quotes from MySpace pages, books, and other public material. It's just the tip of the iceberg.

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Depends; as you can imagine, there are a number of faith-based communities that would be obviously good audiences for some of this material. Kristin's documentary, by contrast, is focused primarily on the human-trafficking issue, and the convergence with the porn industry, and she's found some ex-porn stars who are working with law enforcement to address that issue. Sharon Mitchell, who worked in the adult film industry in the 80s and 90s, became an advocate for mandatory STD testing and formed AIM to address that issue, working with CA law enforcement to do so. And other porn stars have taken it upon themselves to rent booths at different adult conventions to address the issue. So it's not like there's a big umbrella or a singular voice or focus; it's more like a number of different individuals, with different motivations, all trying to call attention to the issue at the same time.
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Old 07-16-2011, 05:52 PM   #34
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In all seriousness, like professional wrestlers, the rate of drug overdoses and suicides is outrageous. A sign of a very exploitative industry.
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In all seriousness, like professional wrestlers, the rate of drug overdoses and suicides is outrageous. A sign of a very exploitative industry.
Hypercapitalist societies trend towards the exploitative. I have not seen any reliable evidence that, for example, rates of drug overdose or suicide are higher among adult industry workers as compared to, for example, McDonald's or Walmart or Wall Street workers.
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In the US, the construction industry has the highest suicide rate, fwiw (and keeping in mind correlation ≠ causation).
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^ I have seen it claimed that dentists have the highest suicide rate among professionals, but I have never heard anyone condemn dentistry as a immoral choice of career.
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I've always heard it was air traffic controllers
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Who watches studio produced porn anymore?

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I would like to think that suicide rates are not the only (or even most effective) ways of evaluating destructive and exploitative work environments.
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^ Oh, I agree; most social scientists specializing in suicide would impatiently wave away the idea that that's even a useful or enlightening stat to track anyway. It was just a tangent.



Just to throw this out there, I remember reading several years ago in one of Susie Bright's books an interview with some longterm porn director, don't recall his name, who brought up the topic of, There are some people (actors) in this business whom you can see right away don't belong there, and basically these are people who've gotten into it because they crave attention and physical appreciation, which is fine as far as it goes, but at the end of the day you do also have to be very enthusiastic about sex, sexuality and sexual experiences, because otherwise no amount of hand-holding from on-set friends is going to keep you from getting deeply worn down. I'm in no position to evaluate how insightful or accurate his assessment really was, but it sounded like an observation we hear about entertainers in other fields all the time--that yes, we all know rock stars/movie stars/etc. tend to be people who intensely crave being looked at and listened to, but if you aren't also genuinely enthusiastic about constant immersion in the nitty-gritties of music/film/etc. production, you can easily wind up deeply depressed, alienated, emotionally ravaged by the inevitably sizeable trained-dog-performing-on-command component of it, and liable to flame out pretty spectacularly, not least because that attention turns out to be far more of a double-edged sword than you initially imagined. And the reality is most people, however pleasurable the emotional associations we might have with consuming erotica/music/thrillers etc., don't at all have the kind of relentless drive needed to produce it commercially.

That's a separate issue, of course, from working conditions which are genuinely abusive by the standards of any worker employed in the business. Entertainers in general are vulnerable partly because outside resistance to knowing (as Irvine put it) 'how the sausages are made' is exceptionally high, and when you're talking about a heavily stigmatized form of entertainment like porn, with its aura of sleaze, uncontrollability, and the hypocritical mixture of titillation and revulsion that so many of us reflexively ascribe to it, that only heightens that vulnerability. What I am skeptical of is the temptation to pounce on that result as "proof" that the whole enterprise is an inherent affront to humanity remediable only by criminalizing (or cultivating internalized contempt and disgust for) its use and practice in any form whatsoever.
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Who watches studio produced porn anymore?

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yup.
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This was front-page on Yahoo! this morning -- reminded me of this thread.

Porn industry mulls leaving LA if condoms required - Yahoo! News

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LOS ANGELES (AP) — Some of the most prominent purveyors of porn say they'll start packing up their sex toys and abandoning the nation's porn capital if authorities carry through with a nascent effort to police adult film sets and order that every actor be outfitted with a condom.
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Ged Kenslea, spokesman for the AIDS Healthcare Foundation, said the measure is needed because the industry has failed to properly police itself. For years, he said, filmmakers have ignored state health laws mandating the use of condoms when workers are exposed to blood-borne pathogens.

"Let's make one thing clear: Condom use on adult film sets is, and has been, the law in California under blood-borne pathogens regulations," he said. "It is just a law that has not been uniformly enforced or followed. This film permit ordinance that the city council approved today provides another enforcement mechanism to make sure that adult film producers are complying with existing California law."
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i though this was interesting:

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Some porn industry representatives have previously said porn filmed with condoms doesn't sell as well.

Duke said Tuesday that another reason is that some porn performers prefer to not use condoms, saying "it's really hard on their bodies" during lengthy, grueling shooting schedules. "It's very different on a set … We're in favor of choice for performers." AIDS Healthcare Foundation President Michael Weinstein said there are many performers who do want mandatory condoms, such as Jenna Jameson, and that condoms are consistently used in gay porn.

Condoms in porn: Government should not intrude, group says - latimes.com

my thought, though, is similar to Headache's: who watches this kind of porn anymore? are we going to regulate what people can and cannot upload onto XTube? there will always be an appetite for bareback porn -- why wouldn't there be? porn is all fantasy, condoms kill that fantasy -- so it's not like the problem is amongst influencing viewer's behavior.

seems to me that this is likely more about protecting the working actors and actresses in porn, and it seems like an OSHA regulation more than anything else ... but, yet, if mainstream porn continues to lose value, as it must when facing totally free competition, will more actors go underground and away from the self-imposed (and obviously very effective) regulations of the billion-dollar industry because of more opportunity and thusly expose themselves to more risk than they would otherwise have?

i also wonder why this thread is only concerned with women in porn. and heterosexual women at that.
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